A truth from Scripture that I recall being taught from my earliest memories is how the conscience can so easily be seared with a hot iron and become numb to repeated violations. Sadly, this is happening to members of the group who repeatedly witness wrong things and stay silent out of fear:
- People are rebuked publicly without mercy, and without even having been approached privately first.
- Non-member teens are called out publicly for their misdeeds, humiliating them and their parents, and usurping parental authority.
- Entire Bible class sessions can be taken up with unmerciful public rebuking, with little or no actual study of the Bible.
- Gossip and evil surmising.
- Retribution, “witch hunts,” and intimidation used against those who try to speak out.
- Truth doesn’t need to be afraid of a lie, yet valid questions are silenced rather than answered.
The first time you witness something like this, your conscience is pricked, but fear keeps you from speaking out. The next time, it’s easier to accept it. After many years in the group, the conscience can become so numb to abusive behavior that it goes unnoticed altogether.
There are plenty of people who have witnessed or heard things done that without question are totally wrong, and they know it in their hearts because their conscience is pricked. However, by choosing to stay silent out of fear, or by making excuses for what is done by pushing away what their conscience is telling them, they’ve had their consciences seared with a hot iron. It’s time to stop ignoring what you know is not right.
James 4:17 (KJV) “Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.”
“All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.” (Edmund Burke)
h/t to an anonymous contributor for most of the above
Hi Kevin, The thing I want to point out here (which you are already aware of) is that they actually believe that their "widsom" and "judgements" come from God himself. To be a Merie Weiss Christian, one must have a Merie Weiss teacher to guide and direct them in the ways of the "one true church". How else can someone properly "teach" if not by intimidation, fear, public rebuking, and the like. Answer: because they are teaching their opinions and bits of God's holy word strung together to meet the conclusions they are making independent of what God's word says… Read more »
Daer Anonymous, amen, well said. The New Testament scriptures don't tell us to search out and follow a church, they tell us to search out and follow Jesus. This sect teaches Churchianity, not Christianity. Also, the gospel is said to be a seed. That seed can be planted by anyone, anywhere, and it can germinate and took root in anyone's heart without the need of any "anointed" group of people to make it grow. One of the most damning points against the teachings of this church is that they teach that you need the Bible + them to be saved.… Read more »
This sect also does not believe that you can be baptized for the remission of sins by any group except theirs (started by Merie Weiss) and be saved. Jesus said he who believeth and is baptized will be saved, not he who believeth and gets baptized by the church started by Merie Weiss will be saved; my point is they are adding to God's word once again. Their reason is that they think no one else believes it except them (which is false).If you make a stand on it, they'll withdraw from you.
Well said. It is unbelievable that they are so arrogant to think that they are the only people in the universe who have figured out Christianity.
You guys are gripping on an on with old knowledge. I have NEVER witnessed someone getting rebuked without being spoken with first.
And the Church rebukes with mercy and love. This is totally scriptural "open rebuke is better than secret love" "rebuke before all that all may fear" and Paul said he withstood Peter to the face before all.
I thought of these three examples in like 2 mins. Are you studying your Bible Mr. Harper?
What church do you attend? If you have NEVER witnessed someone being rebuked without being spoken with first you might not be on the correct blog. I would love to see the day when Christians don't sit through 'surprise rebukes'. Maybe you're in a 'progressive' congregation that is teaching differently than the majority; you're fortunate if that is true.
Well, let's look at these examples, shall we? 1) "open rebuke is better than secret love" This is a value comparison from Proverbs 27:5. It does NOT say that open rebuke always appropriate, it says that compared to secret love (which is love unexpressed), open rebuke is better. 2) "rebuke before all that all may fear" This comes from 1 Timothy 5:20. If you start in verse 19, you'll see he's talking about being careful to NOT receive an accusation against an elder without first having 2 or 3 witnesses, AND THEN, if he's sinned, rebuke before all. In this… Read more »
I was rebuked twice publicly without being spoken with first. Wrong info was said both times as well.
No, no, no. 1 Timothy 5:20 is NOT just speaking of the elder that is in sin. You're telling me to start in verse 19, you should start in verse 1. It is evident that Paul is giving a list of things for Timothy to consider and he throws rebuke them that sin in there. This is consistant with 2 Timothy 4:2Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.Your first point makes so little sense, I can't even combat it. The scripture clearly says that open rebuke is better. So… Read more »
Wow, talk about speaking things about me that you know nothing about. Isn't that what slander is? 1) I have never been rebuked once by Stanton (at least not in my hearing), except by the attacks coming from you and one or two other commenters. I have always maintained an amicable and truth-seeking relationship with my friends and family in the sect. While this blog has been interpreted by you to be an attack, it is no such thing. 2) I have absolutely no animosity against Stanton or its leaders, past or present. God is my witness, he can search… Read more »
Just wanted to highlight a couple of your comments: You said: "I have been rebuked for things that I haven't done. So what? People make mistakes. I will, and probably have falsely accused someone of something too." I'm not saying not to forgive someone who makes a mistake and falsely accuses you. I'm saying to those who make a practice of presumptuous false accusations, as you have toward me, stop doing it. It's a sin. I don't hold grudges against those who do it, I'm just exhorting them to stop it. Stop falsely accusing people and assuming evil motives. That… Read more »
Should also mention for clarity once in 2015 and the other in 2016.