In over 45 years of existence, this sect still has no Biblical eldership in place. Why is that? Answer: Because a core group of people have led the movement from the earliest days of the church, and Biblical leadership would threaten that power structure. A dynamic of largely female leadership was in place from its inception as a division from the mainstream churches when Merie was withdrawn from. (You didn’t know that Merie was withdrawn from by East San Diego Church of Christ in 1958? Oops, they conveniently leave that out of their history.)
Merie clearly preached, and I sat through many a sermon of hers. Of course, they didn’t call them that. The difference was only one of semantics. Because she sat while preaching, and waited until after a “closing prayer” for “worship service” on Sunday morning, they would call it a lesson or a Bible class. But if you can find any of those distinctions or terms in
the Bible, I’d like to see them.
I asked my mom once about the lack of elders in any of their churches, and her reply was that the bar for elders was so high because of the need for them to have a “good report within and without” even prior to their baptism. There were just not any qualified men. Really? After 45+ years?
Of course, I pointed out that the first century church had elders within just a few years, and that a “good report” had nothing to do with a person’s reputation prior to baptism. There’s not a person alive who could meet that bar for eldership, and certainly most of the apostles would not have qualified on that criteria.
Sometime later, I followed up with her on it. They had studied the subject (presumably at a May Meeting) and arrived at the same conclusion I had, that the “good report” is not referring to the time before becoming a Christian. Of course, this begs the question, did the church really have the Holy Spirit during the time they had the “wrong understanding” of that verse? That was many years ago, and there are still no elders in any of their churches, by the way.
I know they claim that teachers are in lieu of elders, but that is completely unbiblical. Why so fearful of trying things Biblically for once? I think we know the answer to that.
What was her heresy?
Merie had many disagreements with the church she came out of. Her disagreements are outlined in "The Brethren Letter," which I believe Kevin included on this site. The cornerstone of her list of grievances was payment for local preachers. She believed only traveling preachers could be compensated from the church treasury. The definition of "traveling preacher" (evangelist) has changed since Marie's time. Currently, an evangelist can be in the same congregation for over 15 years and still receive compensation from several church treasuries (the number 15 is an estimate and could be greater). Merie's other grievance was teaching on indwelling… Read more »
Actually, anonymous, that is exactly correct. But my thinking about all of this is that a church or religion has the right to conduct itself as it sees fit. At least we still have that right. That's why I mentioned the Amish. They are very comfortable, as are their children, with the judgments they have worked out over time. I don't agree with them but I love their simplicity and their fight to keep the world out of their gatherings. Who can blame them?
Perhaps it's not quite so simple, anonymous. Amish have a physical community, distinct geographical areas including dwellings and farms. They continue the tradition of Rumspringa, when children of age are required to make their own decision. Recently Amish vigilantes were arrested and sent to prison for physically humiliating their rivals. Physical abuse happened in the church, including child abuse. These things were not reported to the authorities. There is an extensive history of mental abuse, isolation and shunning, to which individuals and the church have admitted. An organization that claims the Bible and the Bible only has repeatedly inflicted punishment… Read more »
To Dear Anonymous who posted at 8/16 @ 3:39 PM. I read your post and it is consistent with what I know. BUT, I had never heard that "Merie realized this unilateral dismissal was unscriptural and repented of the practice." My question is, was it only the "unitlateral dismissal" part that she repented of, because I know within congregations, they continued to withdraw from people, kicking people out right & left & frequently for "corrupt mind", "uncleanness" and "defiled marriage bed" based on Merie's teaching. They used the term you are going to be "questioned" which was interrogations to see… Read more »
Regarding the Amish, watch the movie "The Shunning" and perhaps you'll throw out your naive opinion that they are a tight little loving community. I know someone who grew up in an Amish community and he had to decide between his family and going to college. Their doctrines and commandments and traditions of men have been heaped up on top of the Bible and have suffocated the life out of the living Word of God.
Anonymous, responding to your question on the word, "unilateral," it means action of one, not "collective" action. After people were originally sent home unilaterally, the practice was discontinued but replaced with collective withdrawal for the perceived sin of "uncleanness." Sending people home from the parking lot is different from holding a formal withdrawal meeting when the congregation is present. In the late 90's, the judgement changed in 2 ways: 1.) The Old English term "uncleanness" could not be defined as masturbation, as Merie Weiss taught erroneously for years and 2.) Masturbation could no longer be a "withdrawalable" offense because a.)… Read more »
Got it, thanks.
I don't know the details or the merits, just that that's what she was withdrawn from for. Do you have more information than that?
The following article includes updated information about the terms of Merie's withdrawal that I didn't know at the time I posted the above comment. If anyone finds comment threads where this subject was referenced, please feel free to post this link with the updated info. Basically, Merie was withdrawn from for Sowing Discord and Division in 1958 and never admitted back into fellowship.
https://www.stantonblog.com/p/about-merie-weiss.html
It may not be true. Are you getting the info from her enemies?
No, actually the info came from someone who defended Merie. So I believe it is accurate, but if you have further information, I am happy to include it here. I don't like the assumption that anyone who disagrees with the church's doctrines or Merie's doctrines is an "enemy." I am not saying that it is hate…but I have on more than one occasion felt flames coming my way (not in the tone of your comments here at all, by the way…thank you for that). I can assure you that hate is not what's in my heart. I believe brothers can… Read more »
Can you go back to your source and get the details of her heresy?
Moyer Letter: Her heresy is clearly stated by her in the Moyer letter which is in the Founding Documents section of this website.
As noted in the scanned original copy of Merie's letter of withrawal, she was disfellowshipped for sowing discord & division in 1958 from East San Diego Church of Christ. I have yet to hear a coherent defense from the SCOC leadership as to why it was OK for Merie to break off and start her own sect rather than wait to "come back from withdrawal" as they demand of others.
wow the dirt digging is getting ddeeper and deeper. Wonder if yall have things yall dont want us to know about
Hmmm…well, thanks to the SCOC's tactics, they pretty much know all the bad stuff about us! Or they can dig it out of our closest family members and exaggerate it! I certainly don't have to wonder if there is anything I don't want them to know about. Thanks to counsel and public confessions, there's not much left to hide!
Good point, Seeking. Ignore Anon 9:26, he's just practicing the fear and intimidation tactics of his mentors to silence dissent.
Matthew 23:15 – Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you travel across sea and land to make a single proselyte, and when he becomes a proselyte, you make him twice as much a child of hell as yourselves.
how do u know its a he
Proverbs 26:4 – Don’t answer the foolish arguments of fools, or you will become as foolish as they are.
I don't know. Do you have any facts you can contribute? My point is not really to argue the merits, or lack thereof, of Merie's "withdrawal," but to provide a chronology of what led to the formation of this sect.
I believe it's important, especially when accusing a Christian, to have all the information on the accusation. Slander is a very sore evil.
Let me get this right…I was just slandered as: 1) Having sent out a bunch of emails that I didn't send2) Starting a Facebook group I didn't start3) Creating an evil blog that is full of lies (accused by someone who had only heard second-hand about the content of the blog, and had not read my words herself) I have yet to have anyone point out a single lie that I've posted on these pages, and I've offered to correct any unintentional errors, yet I simply report a fact that Merie was withdrawn from for heresy and you're insinuating that… Read more »
Slander is a sore evil, but Merie was withdrawn from more than once, so it's not slander, it is the truth. She also taught that homosexuals could not be saved and her doctrine was followed and taught in this sect (which was heresy and false teaching) until many years later when they decided she was wrong (or had made a mistake?) and they could be saved (guess they file that under new judgment or new understanding instead of false teaching/heresy). As far as slander goes, this sect are big on slander, character assassination and gossip, so if you're a member… Read more »
"I believe it's important, especially when accusing a Christian, to have all the information on the accusation. Slander is a very sore evil."
Assuming this quote came from a current Stanton Church of Christ Member, it is laughable that they would accuse anyone of slander since it is well documented that slander is one of their favorite pastimes. I spent 17 years trapped in their grasp and if there is one thing those "Christians" revel in it is talking and surmising about each other continuously.
If anyone has any information about Merie being withdrawn from more than once, or for "heresy" specifically, please let me know. The best I can tell right n now is that she was withdrawn from once in 1958 for "sowing discord and division" by East San Diego Church of Christ. She never came back into fellowship from that, to my knowledge, nor was she withdrawn from a separate time, as far as I know. But if anyone knows differently, please let me know, just so we have the facts correct on this blog.
Kevin, I remember hearing-on one of her tapes-that she was withdrawn from three times. She stated that the third time she realized the lesson God was trying to teach her was to leave the mainline churches of Christ and start another, with true believers. She said she let and never looked back, which told me that she never came back from the last withdrawal. I don't know the dates, years, etc., as she didn't say.
Hope that helps!
Okay, thanks for the info.
Here we go. Actually as I remember it the teachings have always been homosexuals could be saved i.e. a transexual Merie Weiss worked very hard to convert for many years was baptized, changed his name and resumed his natural identity.
Be careful of what you say.
Here we go? What do you mean? Unless you are willing to come forward and state your name and your history in this coc, your comment means nothing. Well, I guess it could confirm the doctrine has changed but it doesn't prove you are correct. So, who are you? And how do you know what you claim?
Furthermore, true change (repentance) only happens as Jesus convicts of sin, . Not Merie.
Nice try
Anonymous- are you currently attending? Why do your comments sound so arrogant? Is it just me? WWJD? Not be arrogant… This could be a great moment if the "christians" would do what Jesus wants them to do and disciple to people, show them love, and lead by example. You want to save people? Start putting your gospel online, where so many people spend their time these days. Start doing it with God's Love at the forefront of your mind, not your own ego.
I clearly remember the young man who came as a man, then later attended as a woman and even changed his name to a more female name. He was in the process of the "change". He did repent and stop the treatments and returned to being the man that God created him to be. I only saw and spoke to him as a man, both before and after his treatments. I remember the teaching that you can be saved if you repented of the homosexual lifestyle. Having lived in San Francisco, this was a big deal….that one would and could… Read more »
Funny you mention a mid-wife to be immodest. I have a sibling who thought doctors only became doctors because they wanted to see people naked (around 9yrs in 2011). REALLY? The things they put in these young minds.
I don't know if what you are saying is true but I'm glad to hear of the possibility that Merie was open at some point. Decades ago that was not the teaching in this sect and I was happy to learn they had changed their judgment some years later after Merie died. I personally heard Merie teach that "masturbators" that had "made a habit of it" had a very slim chance of being able to repent, so the other teaching they had about homosexuals (because per Merie, they could not repent and she had special understanding) was not a far… Read more »
It's true.
From gihutson
FYI…..EGO….EDGING GOD OUT. So much of this conversation has EGO all over it. Not saying that I do not struggle with the ego. But before making a comment….check the ego!
Kevin, Merie taught that YOU, the children would be the first elders of our generation. You who have not been soiled by the world and brought up unemcumbered by a past lifestyle that the world could point a finger at and cause a blemish on the church. The men who came in as adults or influenced by the world could not be "blameless". So a lot of emphasis was put on the male children being taught at a very young age so they could carry the church as did the men of old. We could be the pillars on which… Read more »
That is SO interesting that she taught that. Obviously that didn't work across the board of the few churches they have. Gary Preman's last talk preached the same thing. It sounded like a Nazi indoctrine to me.
So the kids grown to adults would be blameless? How ironic, when she taught that kids were unclean (enforced parents to tie childrens hands at night).
@Teresa, that's is exactly true. This is why mom was so heartbroken when I was married and baptized elsewhere. She had set her sights on me getting married within her sect and becoming part of the leadership.
But the facts don't lie…the first century church had elders very quickly, which means the elders were converts to Christianity and did not have an "unsoiled" reputation.
Any elders yet in Merie’s cult?
Nope. Even if they did have Elders, the elders would have to report to the leadership at May Week. I'm sure their "judgements" would be above the unscripturality of it all.
No elders still should be of great concern to the cult members. GP and TC to unworthy to meet the qualifications. Lol.
In proverbs 26:5 it says answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conciet and we see an example of this in Matthew 19:22 when a young man asked Christ what lack I yet and he was told to go and sell all that he has and give to the poor and the young man went away sorrowful because he had grest possessions, his behavior of being sorrowful at having to part with his possessions tells us that he was covetous not just because he had great possesions but he loved them and it… Read more »
Mr. Anonymous, zero. Sounds like you’re giving Merie’s cult a pass on this topic. You do not see it as a concern having no deacons or elders?
Well Craig a couple of things to consider: deacons and elders are just people and though the positions are suppose to be respected many who have held those positions have tarnished them. One man , Jack Whittiker, won a very large powerball lottery and then donated a large sum to his church and the deacons and elders took that money and went out and bought themselves new turbo diesel pickup trucks, deacons and elders have been thieves of the Lords treasury time and time again. If the SCOC did have deacons and elders, and given their past histories of abuse… Read more »
Anon 1:12 Certainly elders or deacons would not guarantee righteous leadership in Merie’s cult. The fact you see deacons and elders in Christ’s church is my point and one example of many of my criticism of the church of Merie. They claim to be the true church yet lack what Christ set up to be within his church deacons and elders Merie’s cult has had issues with money from their treasury being stolen in different congregations. It didn’t take elders or deacons to steal the money. Because I have criticism with this topic means I’ve ordained deacons and elders where… Read more »
It is implied that when you criticize another for not doing something that you have done it yourself and know it can be done or that the criticizer is a hypocrite demanding others do what they can not or have not done, in short: if it is so easy to have deacons and elders why have you not done it yourself? Perhaps your just another armchair christian telling others what they should do to make yourself feel important in your own eyes?
Anon 8:52 You’re funny. From the beginning of commenting on this blog. Purpose has been to expose Merie’s cult. This article on elders proves Merie’s cult cannot be the one and only true church. Agree?
Anon Dec 5 at 8:52 AM: You bring up a good point, but it is full of errors.If your statement is true, it will stand up all across the board. If you criticize another for not doing something, and you haven't done it yourself, that makes you a hypocrite.That statement may look good on the surface, but apply it to other things. I would not be able to criticize/judge another for having committed murder, because I myself have never killed anyone, ever. Therefore, I have no right to state that killing is wrong.Can you see how your premise is off?However,… Read more »
Debbie. Your spot on. To this I want to illustrate a comparison. At the same time the Stanton Churches of Christ were gaining momentum another group also was also getting it's legs out of the mainline churches of Christ. Kip McKean, a church of Christ preacher, encouraged 30 members to seperate from the church he was preaching for. These 30 were baptized 'again' with a different heart and mind to be Christians. From these 30 Kip built churches all over the world. Over 100,000 strong. The name changed from Churches of Christ, to Cross roads Churches of Christ, to a… Read more »
Hi Concerned. Interesting points about Kip McKean. I don't know the details but I have heard that he has renounced some of his practices, do you know more of the story? I do know that they practiced 'discipleship' which was sort of like having an assigned mentor who a convert worked closely with and possibly confessed their sins to (?); but don't quote me on that. I am also curious; was the Crossroads movement lead by women or men? I believe for all intents and purposes Stanton is/was lead by women even though they have a couple of male evangelists… Read more »
As with other corrupt organizations.
Follow the Money. Fewer leaders means a bigger yield for their greed
Concerned, I can think of a few things that might somewhat explain the differences between the SCOC and other churches. The way the SCOC teaches (not just what they teach), it's evangelism methods, and the way they're structured and function are all different from many other places. The way they teach has contributed to a lot of their problems. In churches without proper leadership, one of the main areas where holes show up is church discipline. From the beginning, and even present day, the SCOC has had problems with this. Sure, there can be tough judgement calls and situations that… Read more »
I always wondered why they didn’t do anything for homeless or those in need other than their own congregation. We just had a dinner for anyone that would attend for our Christmas musical and free dinner and gifts for the children all provided by the congregation . We had 200 attend many were single parents. We have a program where someone can take a tab and donate an food item for 11 months out of the year to be distributed to various places. We happen to choose paper towels for a local low income school so furnish 12 rolls each… Read more »
Great summary of some of the issues in the SCOC, AFP. I personally hope they continue to keep doing the same thing and just implode. I hope people leave there, realizing that they can find God elsewhere. Merie poisoned that tree long ago and in my opinion, while there is certainly hope for the people, it does not lie in Merie's cult. There are way too many wrong things with it, and your list is a simple start. I can't see how one can truly love as Christ there and be around all that oppression, self-righteousness, and flat-out unkindness (in… Read more »
First, they need to clean up their own back yards before they try to convert anybody. As it is, before anybody it told what they have ahead of them in the changes they need to make, they really need to know the treatment that they have a good chance of experiencing. In many cases too many leaders are just downright cruel and unloving. Look how many of them have been withdrawn from and/or sat down for a lack of love and/or oppression, which stems from a lack of love. Anyway, how is it that a "Christian", which means "Christ like",… Read more »
To clarify, the examples given weren't meant to be solutions but simply showing what other churches do to that helps them grow compared to the SCOC in response to Concerned's comment. Obviously feeding the homeless or giving out presents isn't going to fix all of their problems, nor is any church required to do these things in order to be right with God. Like Lynn says, their problems have more to do with a lack of love and no promotion or gift giving will fix their hearts. That's also another great point to bring up about people who are doing… Read more »
One preacher, GT, back east, stayed local for an ailing father and did home worship. We know this was true in some fashion for the church during the dark ages as some were still walking in white. When there is no other way, God will make it possible for those seeking to worship him in truth.
Just a few other outreach ideas our church has done in the past are coat and or back pack drives for low income schools,making rooms available in our church for Boy Scouts or Girl Scouts and AA, fields free for sporting events,vacation bible school in the summer, several different days or times for bible studies such as women’s,couples, all ages,etc. now you ask why have these various activities? It shows how we are reaching out into the community that we are here and a friendly church. We have gained many new members or attendees as a result. We also have… Read more »
Oh, I know that Lynn. I'm not saying home worship is bad or that it's anything new, people have been doing it for a long time. Was just mentioning how more and more people are doing it now. It also felt important to mention that some of those groups are just as oppressive and dangerous as these other cults out there and for people to simply be careful when joining them just like you would any church.
Also thank you anon 6:41 and Jo 8:12 for sharing you experiences. Those are great examples.
oops *your*
Advocate for Peace: those who invite and teach the nonmember are being disingenuous. Before someone is baptized to become a member of Merie’s cult they should be told what they are getting into. Though I only got wet at baptism and it thankfully was null and voided by our God if I’d been told what they were about I’d never of gave them a sniff of my time. Knocking on doors is wasted time. I agree if they were all what they say they are get the word out in a more efficient way.
I actually had that point in my initial comment but it was over the character limit so I had to shorten it and cut that part out.
But yes, their recruitment method is dishonest and what is presented at the doors and in non-member classes isn't the full picture of what they expect from members. People don't learn everything until they have been in for awhile. The way other churches teach non-members is different too and they don't hide things they think people aren't "ready for" like the SCOC does.
I've been wanting to make a post about elders for awhile now and mainly wanted to comment on what the SCOC teaches about it. One of the main reasons the SCOC doesn't have true elders is simply a lack of understanding about the qualifications. Even if it is true that they might lack qualified men, there is no excuse for the men to stay that way and not strive to BECOME elders. Some of the men say that they themselves can never be elders and have already disqualified themselves and won't bother to strive to become elders or properly teach… Read more »
That was me above forgot to edit name.
Advocate for Peace, your comment make sense and is so simple. Merie’s cult brings so much confusion with topics such as elders. Scripture talks about the simplicity of God’s word. How often do cult member specifically leaders of the cult cause difficulties and confusion? I’d say often. Proof they do not have the Holy Spirit.
I agree, Craig, well done, Advocate for Peace. Stanton's problem is they don't know enough about history, and so they neglected to put in place the checks and balances which is necessary for good government, as America's Founders did. A key part of checks and balances is elders. Right now, we have autonomous church leaders making frequently tyrannical decisions, and there is zero oversight. And so the entire church is tainted with the actions of rogue leaders with arbitrary standards of right and wrong, playing God. It's very sad. Another reason why I admire America's Founders far more than the… Read more »
Agree completely on blameless as well. Exactly how can Peter be called blameless when he denied Christ 52 days ago, yet converted 3,000 souls in Acts 2? He can't. But under Stanton's rules, that would have been impossible. Peter would have had to sit down for at least 10 years and learn about his heart and 'shame'. I heard one preacher say the only time the church will be pure is when there is no humans in it. Quite true, IMHO. Also, to the Husband of one wife, it seems to me, and I agree with you, that it refers… Read more »
Uriah, you only have to click on boxes if you are using anything but ur real name! And it's a nuisance, but a necessary one! 🙂
Thank you Debby. How does it know if one is using one's real name or not? Initially, I didn't encounter boxes at all, but recently, I've been getting five consecutive different boxes of 'Would you be so good as to click on all the fire hydrants, the traffic lights, the cars, the store fronts, the bus's, etc, etc'. And when I have more than one comment because it's so long it can't fit into one comment, it's enough to give me heart palpitations. On one occasion, it had 8 different boxes, and I was beginning to fear I was going… Read more »
You just have to sign in with an email before you post to skip all the captcha boxes. Plus it lets you edit or delete your comments when you're logged in. That's why I've started using mine, those captcha's annoy me too. Also thanks for the compliments and for expanding on the topic, those were good points as well. I wanted to post a lot more on elders but it doesn't seem necessary since the other issues are minor compared to the scriptural understandings they give. The "converted children" teaching I mentioned is a national teaching since I've heard different… Read more »
Uriah Heep, excellent points. I’m not clicking on boxes. The point with Peter is perfect. Imagine if Peter denied GP? Wow!! Or if Peter asked GP how much his support was? Wow wow. What if Peter asked GP why he hasn’t visited the troubled Portland congregation for nearly a decade though Portland supports the fraudulent evangelist? What if Peter read this blog and GP found out? Well Peter would be withdrawn from.
Whew, pardon me while wiping the perspiration off my face. That last comment required 9 box's. You can imagine the consternation on my face. My eyes slowly glazed over, and then began to indignantly bulge out of my head as I saw a fresh box present itself. I've seen about all the fire hydrants and traffic lights I care to see for a lifetime, if the bot monitor cares to know. Thank you, Craig. You must not be getting any boxes because I'm getting all yours. LOL. Thank you!! You can keep the Boxes. I know it's the season for… Read more »
Uriah Heep, what is a red haired little dreeb like you doing in a place like this?
Bein' 'umble, as I always am, Concerned. I am a very 'umble man, and have much to be 'umble about. You have seen the film version of 'David Copperfield'.
Uriah Heep, funny!
Straining at gnats; majoring in the minors; worrying about motes in their eyes; letter of the law over the spirit of the law. It's all legalism without grace, and the abundant lack of love, lack of compassion, lack of sympathy, lack of empathy, and just an overall lack of humanity should be enough to show anyone seeking that this cult is a dead-end trap.
That's a good summary Anonymous.
Anon- AMEN!
My current pastor said “He is in a jail cell, but the door is wide open.”
Referring to my husband. My husband’s response : “That sounds about right.”
Who else is glad to be starting 2019 away from the Cult of Merie Weiss??!! I know I am! Here's to you and a wonderful and free-to-make-your-own-decisions filled year!
Anonymous Jan.1- I AM! It’s called LIBERTY! And I am so thankful to God for that Liberty!
It is very sad that those within the cult do not have the liberty to do as Jesus would do.
My husband and I recently went to Sam’s Club, and ran into a current cult follower. I said a big “Hello TB!” And was met with total rejection. She focused on my husband as he is still attending. And I thought this was the ‘season to be Jolly’!
Keep praying for their chains to be loosed!
Anon 2:08 I’m thrilled to be entering my second year free from the oppressive cult. Though i’d love to make contact with the fearful leaders and see if they’d answer my multitude of questions. Funny Donna as I’ve had a couple encounters with cult members since I stopped attending their fruitless assemblies. Both encounters I was met with rudeness. I let the first cult member know by a message. The second couple would’ve been told face to face they were rude. Though as I searched for them I could not find them. I’m amazed how they can be your so… Read more »
While on the other hand when I run into them they visit with me as if everything is normal. It is very difficult to keep my mouth shut and not ask “why do you shun my son?” This is a new year and I think it is a good year to ask? I would like to hear their answer but bet dollars to donuts they will not answer me. Happy New Year!
That is because you are a withdrawn from member, Craig. Christians are commanded by scripture/God to mark and avoid and so they have marked and now will avoid you as long as you are withdrawn from. Those are the rules of engagement.
They won’t answer because they are cowards. Please Concerned, no Christians in that cult for starters. I’m not withdrawn from He who matters. God does not recognize the fraudulent practices of those heathens and jokesters. So you have mark and avoid the same as withdrawal? I agree. You’re marked and avoided are you not? But the cultsters have the understanding wrong. The practices of the cult are their own rules of engagement. Their understanding on withdrawal is off. Kevin has it correct. I’ll never recognize it as for one I’m not nor ever been a member of Merie’s evil cult.
I'm not talking about your rules of engagement I am talking about theirs.
Craig, Concerned is correct. The members you have encountered aren't speaking to you because if they do, they too will be withdrawn from. So fear keeps them from even saying hello!I remember when Dianne first left the group and sent out emails to different individuals. The leaders in the group threatened withdrawal to any member who read those emails! The leaders use withdrawal as a tool to keep people from hearing things that might take them away from the group.On the surface, this can SEEM like a good thing. To "protect" the group. But when you think about it, you… Read more »
I had no idea my family was involved in such a dysfunctional church? And found out since Craig has left it is a cult. Thankfully Craig and his family were always close to his dad and I. Now I know why the kids liked coming over here because they had more freedom much more. Looking back I know they always stayed on such a strict schedule not bending away from it. To see how the family dynamics have changed in the past two years is unbelievable. The poor people left behind….so sad still going through that ridiculous schedule and not… Read more »
I truly am so glad to be out of the clutches of Merie's group. I left in 2017 and it was tough for a while. 2018 was better. Much better. And I am hoping this year continues on that path. Life gives us enough challenges as it is. Being around oppressive and unkind people make this life much more difficult. I hope those of you considering leaving will take that risk, find YOURSELF and who you were meant to be, who God made you to become, and live a fulfilling life. It really does get better over time. Don't waste… Read more »
Concerned, I understand how they operate. Unscriptural withdrawals they seem to have mastered. I’ve seen comments how they are applying mark and avoid to those who simply leave the cult. That is pure evil. They continue to disturb the family structure. GP, TC, PP, KS and all you so called preachers and teachers. You all will be held accountable for your evil doings.
The members who stay in the cult are obviously scared and ignorant. Their lives have been taken over and their minds no longer function. The oppression became part of their lives, almost sadomasochistic. Their sufferings and mental degradation has placed them in captivity. "Like a dog that's been beat too much, They spend their lives just covering up" (Thanks Mr Springsteen) Making excuses for their non-Christian beliefs is what they have come to do, to make their lives have meaning. Complete ignorance to what the truth is for over 30 years, allowing greedy leaders to take their lives and families… Read more »
Debby, I understand they are being told not to speak to me because of the unscriptural withdrawal. I was told by one that MM instructed this. Yet the members knew as I sat among them for nearly the last five months I was doing so as a nonmember. Actually on some other occasions the hello’s and even handshakes I’ve received. Plus I’ve been told that different ones from their cult meetings have said hello to me as well. Go figure. I’ll continue to engage every cult member I cross paths with. I’ll let them know what they are involved in… Read more »
Just something I found that's hilarious.
https://babylonbee.com/news/kjv-only-pastor-tests-positive-for-niv