No, you can’t withdraw from a nonmember.
On one facet of “withdrawal,” Merie was dead right, and current Stanton leadership is stunningly wrong in their quest to quash dissent. I remember her teaching that once someone leaves the church, the church can’t “withdraw” from them because they’ve already “withdrawn” themselves from the group. For this reason, the church cannot take disciplinary action against a nonmember. The sect has been apparently taking liberties with this, and stretching itself to extend its reach on disciplinary measures. They’ve even invented new forms of discipline to rise up to the task, like re-interpreting “mark and avoid” to fit their current desire to suppress dissent. But I’ll tell you right now, they are just sowing the seeds of tyranny. Here’s why.
What happens if your wife joins a crazy cult? Let’s use an example we can all agree on, like the Branch Davidians, or a Jim Jones type cult. She comes to realize that she wants out, because she doesn’t agree with the cult leaders anymore. She admits in private that she was deceived, but hasn’t had the courage to share that publicly, due to the fear and intimidation tactics of the cult. Instead of allowing her to leave of her own free will, and allowing her conscience to be her own guide, the cult members start using her family relationships to pressure her to stay in and keep her silent. Is that OK?
This is not theater of the mind. This is the reality of how cults work, to wit, Scientology (Going Clear: Scientology and the Prison of Belief). See any similarities?
Before you get your hackles up, I’m not arguing in this article that Stanton is a cult. That’s a subject for another time, but that’s not my point here. My point right now is that God has given us freedom of conscience and freedom of association. Those are natural rights from our Creator, codified by laws of men in our Constitution here in the U.S. We, by virtue of being humans fashioned in the likeness of God, are free to follow God or not. We can choose to associate with a particular church, sect, or even a cult, or not. We can likewise dissociate ourselves from former associations at any time. No one can make us a member of an organization we choose not to be a member of.
We each bear the consequences of these decisions, some good and some bad, but they are to be decisions freely made, and not under duress. As my parents used to say, “A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still.”
How does that relate to the Stanton churches disciplining folks who have left their membership, or who do not consider themselves a member at all? It relates, because if a church can simply declare a nonmember to be a member against their will in order to withdraw from them, isn’t that disingenuous? If they can impose disciplinary measures on nonmembers, where does it stop? Isn’t that oppression in the truest sense of the word? I’ll tell you where this unbiblical nonsense stops. It doesn’t. It is just tyranny, plain and simple. It’s the crassest form of lording power over people.
This approach to church discipline runs 180 degrees counter to Merie’s teaching on the subject, and gives free license to the church to persecute dissenters outside their ranks. We’re not talking about real trouble-makers trying to split the church, mind you, like Merie was when she was withdrawn from by East San Diego Church of Christ in 1958. No, Stanton is in the habit of persecuting Bible-studiers for becoming question-askers. We’re talking about dissenters who are attempting to reform hearts and minds and bring them back to the simple gospel.
But if you ask the wrong questions, Stanton leadership takes pride in not responding to your arrogance in questioning their supposed authority. By contrast, Jesus asked a lot of questions of the Pharisees, and castigated them for not being able to give straightforward answers. There’s nothing wrong with asking honest questions, unless you are trying to obfuscate the truth.
Do we really want a society where a church is free to persecute nonmember family members of members, and to take disciplinary action against former members who no longer consider themselves members? Sorry, I subscribe to the Golden Rule here. If I don’t want someone encroaching on my freedom of conscience or freedom of association, I better not encroach on theirs.
Can Merie's church I want to call it Merie's cult expose or rebuke you for following this blog? Well I've been withdrawn from for murmuring and sowing seeds of discord just yesterday. I wasn't in attendance. I'm also a nonmember. I guess they made a new rule just for me. Haven't been told what I murmured about or how I sowed seeds of discord either. January after it was determined my baptism was not right I became a nonmember. I'd attend worship only to spend time with my family. Hearing the same ole stale sermons by the one preacher was… Read more »
Correction on my last sentence I could never in good conscience attend their again.
What's interesting is that around 2010 and young preacher in California reproved in a talk at a meeting the old men as why was he up there teaching them when they should be up there teaching him. Where I am from there is a preacher that has been in since the 70's who has dry sermons. It was nominated for him to go ta May Week and it was turned down by other leaders stating that the reps are supposed to be leaders who are more active in the church and teaching. What I think is a detriment to a… Read more »
Wow Craig, what a difference this past year has made in your life since you have left this church/cult. You have reconnected with life,family and friends
and seen and participated in a healthy church. I am so proud of you son. And pray the rest of our family see the light. Blessings and love to you! Oh yes I remember being told I was not to use the word proud for some wacky reason or rule but here I am…Love you more than you know. Your Mother
Preacher text me and said I was the only one convinced I wasn't a Christian. This was on Saturday. I'd like to ask every member that question as of Saturday if that was a true statement. What I am convinced of is no one in Merie's churches is a Christian. Their own teaching condemns their own foundation. Followers of Merie are who they are. Ignorantly or not. So happy I'm a nonmember.
To add to my 5:52 post the preacher told me my baptism would be brought up before the congregation which he said I misunderstood which I did understand. Isn't it funny as a nonmember I have been bringing up questions about Merie's churches I've also had some criticism about them as well. Kevin has done a brilliant work in bringing out the proper scriptural understandings as well as I'll call it constructive criticism. Just change your false ways Stanton. Yet they seem not to be able to handle criticism. Yet that is all they do towards anyone outside of their… Read more »
Thank you for sharing your story, Craig. It's unbelievable to me the lengths they are going to to crush any dissent. Let me know how your visits to local churches goes. God is good. Don't give up on Christianity because of this.
Thank you Kevin, I'm a seeker for sure just can't believe they chose to do this to a nonmember and to my family. I'm going to take legal action is my mindset to have my name removed from any affiliation with scoc. Legal action I would not do if I was a member. I do have 3 churches to visit as I will one this coming Sunday. I'm looking forward to it. Visited my mothers church this past Sunday. Excellent lesson. A room where I'd like to say had more spirit than I've seen in Portland in years. Going back… Read more »
Craig, WOW, this is exactly what we predicted on another thread here last week. I AM SO SORRY that happened to you. I wish you had left because if you have family there, it's going to hurt. Sadly, withdrawal doesn't do what it's supposed to, as they say, (make you think about your sin and repent) but rather it just forces you to agree with them so you can have your family back in your life. I am curious what you mean by "going back to KG and MG". I doubt they can speak to you since you are withdrawn… Read more »
Seeking remember I'm a nonmember really don't care what they think on that. January declared with their counsel twice with the preacher and the second time the teacher was their too. From that point on I attended only to be with my family and for all but one Sunday I left after worship. The last Sunday I went to fellowship was after Merie's name was referenced 5 times and this member says the first person she wants to see in heaven is Merie. That was disturbing. Never when I attended was I served communion. Thus proving in their eyes I… Read more »
Yes KG is a good kind man in my experience. Too bad the churches aren't really autonomous!
Is the preacher in Portland MM?
Seeking…May 15, 2017 at 11:26 PM Last I knew MM was preacher in Portland. K and M G were always good to me. I first me them in Portland in the early 80s. I was able to talk to MG at the May Week in Tacoma. She asked me if the brethren we helping me in my situation and I told her I can't talk about that as I would have had to tell her no and that would have opened a whole can of worms. Unfortunately, she must have said something because a preacher I know from down south… Read more »
I agree, the churches are definitely NOT autonomous and they are kidding themselves if they think they are. 4 people run the show and everyone knows exactly who they are.
Yes MM is the preacher in Portland and should be removed for all the destruction he has caused over the years. For that matter the entire cult should be closed.
This is a very sad and frightening turn of events. Craig, I am very sorry to hear of your withdrawal after the church clearly recognized you as a nonmember. Remember this: unless the church has recently changed it's rules about needing a unanimous decision for withdrawals and other business, the decision was unanimous; there wasn't one person who openly disagreed with your withdrawal. The church makes up 'new' understandings to suit their purposes; silencing dissenters and scaring people into submission. This reminds me of the Tom and Dianne Collier fiasco in Des Moines, Iowa. Withdrawing from non-members… what next?
Kevin, there are so many thoughts crossing my mind on this post. I may have to comment more than once to put it all together. My first thought is that your example is very similar to my situation (though I bet it relates to us all in varying degrees). I was so bothered by what I was reading here, and comparing it to my own doubts and reviewing (examining!) my own experiences in Merie's church, I could no longer contain myself and told my family who was living in my home (husband and children) that I was leaving. My oldest,… Read more »
Thank you so much for sharing your story, Seeking. I believe the slow and steady drip of truth from stories like yours will bring the walls in people's hearts crumbling down eventually.
The funny thing is, that when I went there as a visitor almost 15 years ago, for years I fought my ex about it, pointing out that they were a cult and that there was some terrible fruit I didn't want my kids around. Part of my getting baptized there was that I wanted us to be united in important things, such as religion. I didn't want to fight about it anymore. The funny thing is my whole marriage to him literally was forced apart by their decisions (and those at the top), he lost an older son to withdrawal… Read more »
Seeking…May 16, 2017 at 12:42 PM You aren't alone there in the congregation ignoring you. It seems that if there is nothing there to withdraw from you for the congregation is told to withhold their fellowship and time from you. I had seen a lot of that. We see Jesus spending time with those who needed it because he was the physician, yet here we are exhorted to avoid those who we disagree with. In many times there is no sin. No sin committed and/or no sin being lived in. There was a child of 18+ of one of the… Read more »
So another thought came to mind upon reading your points about our God-given and American freedoms. I am wondering if there is a possibility of putting a restraining order on the church, in regards to applying any of their "discipline" on those who have left, such as in Craig's situation. I know there have even been lawsuits in which a divorced man/woman sued the lover based on stealing their spouse's affections (alienation of affection law). Similar idea, since they are literally splitting families, stealing affections. Also, there are significant bullying and similar laws that one could refer to. I'm not… Read more »
Interesting idea, for sure. I generally don't think Christians ought to be taking Christians to court, but I've also always believed the organizations we call "the church" in modern times are distinct from the membership. I'll give some thought to the concept.
Some thoughts seeking I know of a situation where one would've been withdrawn from but they did not come back. Never told not to talk to them. Another situation one fell away if they would've attended they'd been withdrawn from. They didn't sonknow withdrawal. 22 months later through the preacher said GP said he should've withdrawn from the second example so though they were not withdrawn from treat them as they were. This I always felt was wrong as in your case as well. Another new unbiblical rule. Makes you wonder where the Holy Spirit was with GP to misjudge… Read more »
Seeking, also researched legal action. I know in my case I have a few charges for sure I can pursuit to clear my name of membership from Merie's cult
I am curious about how ya'll found this blog?
I heard GP dared anyone to get on it and to let him know that they did. Once It was determined in January that my baptism was not good I wanted to do some research about the church and took GP up on his dare. If I had his phone number I would've let him know but I do not. More members need to see this blog as well without fear of being withdrawn from. Daring someone sounds like a bully mentality and I don't like bullies. How do you take care of a bully as they say punch em… Read more »
To add to my 5:35 post for some reason it didn't publish. Certainly didn't mean punch a bully in the mouth literally in this case. Rather take him up on his dare and read the blog. As I've said before elsewhere and I'll continue to say who with a good conscience could continue in this cult after reading all the horrid events that had taken place in this groups history and its present
Many of us were having our consciences seared there. But by the grace of God we were able to see the damage Merie's Church has done and continues to do.
You have been rejected by the leader of the SCOC, as has many others. You thought that you were serving God but in reality you were serving a man, who is very good at hiding his control of the church as a whole, but he is in full control of the church and most do not realize this. Now that you are officially rejects it is time to sit down and find out just who God really is. All the commandments must be kept as much as possible and study is the most important. Study the four gospels and find… Read more »
Anon can you tell us first how you found it?
Seeking, I googled Merie Weiss and found it. I would suspect that most current attendees have never heard of it OR are scared to read it. If there are current attendees reading it they don't dare share the fact they read it. If kevin published the newest readership stats people could be incriminated. It would be interesting to see the stats but publishing them would be unwise. Nobody wants to be withdrawn from and after hearing what craig is going through nobody is 'safe'.
I missed the fact that Kevin updated the stats today. Those stats are not at all incriminating. The stats I was concerned about are about location by state.
There is a recorded talk on here about him talking about this blog.. I know there is a Facebook page too but I understand it has been made private from the church now? .. Does anyone know if that Facebook page is still out there? I'd like to be a part of it.. I found this blog 2 years ago by always searching on people and merie…when I found this it felt like I hit the jackpot and set me free from all my worries!
Anon 6:47, email me and I can tell you what I know about the Facebook confusion. 🙂 Glad you found the blog!
I would like to see either another facebook page started or better yet a forum with threads of discussion. I feel that the new comments get easily lost.
On the web version the latest comments are on the right side. Can't see them in the mobile version. In mobile, scroll down to bottom of page n click web version.
I found it because a few of us were discussing Merie's letters and I had found a few PDFs on DCWs website years ago so I thought I'd pull them up again. Turns out Google IS my friend, after all. Get with Kevin privately on the FB one. There's another FB one but some of those people are super negative and mock God, not necessarily Merie's Church.
And yup, we did hit the jackpot!
To add to my 11:00 post the 6 baptisms in 19 years I referred that are currently attending are from the work
To GP, TC and KS let's stop playing games with my marriage and my family. Your unbiblical, unrighteous and downright fraudulent withdrawal of me a NONMEMBER is also affecting nonmember family. Way to go let your darkness of this cult to not shine. Brilliant you are not. Okay got that out of the way. Lift my withdrawal I don't want no association with your evil group. Legal action is coming to clear my name that is all I want. I'd never even consider being a member. I do not recognize the withdrawal anyways. No one even told me. Finally got… Read more »
My son told me about this church just recently. I was in total shock although after reading most of all of this website and thinking about it and the years they were involved in this church some things are explained now and I think it is a cult. I pray my daughter in law and children get out of here before it is too late. She is willing to lose her husband and family for this sick unhealthy church? I can't believe it. She will lose everything and for what? Not for God that is for sure. For a cult.… Read more »
I need to add "I pray she is strong enough to leave this cult and her love for her husband and children strong enough that she will leave". I would not call it a church. Otherwise she has betrayed her husband and forgotten her wedding vows.
Anon 900 I almost thought you were MY mother in law at first, that is how similar so many of our stories are. Please remember a lot of people there think they are truly doing right by God. Treat her as best you can with love. Initially my family n in-laws were dismayed at my choices with the church and my looking down at them. Someone was praying because I finally was able to see that place for what it is. I wish you all well and hope Craig and his family can come out of this intact.
Just remember the truth will set you free! And something else is open communication . Looking forward to seeing our family whole again and we will all be stronger and healthy again! I had no idea all this was going on over these years. No wonder so many have health issues with stomach,headaches,etc.
Step one into a cult is love bombing the new recruit. Love bombing is not one thing but a whole group of behaviors to make the individual feel unconditionally loved and accepted. The fantasy of all love is taught in the first stage. Stage two is the enslavement phase and is done incrementally "you don't take off what you put on" until all of the recruits time and money are taken away. Nothing the new recruit does is acceptable and is constantly asked to do more or give more. Stage three is the rebellion stage where the slave rejects their… Read more »
It is a beautiful day and I have the joy of the Lord in my heart. Yes, I said joy! I am reading nearly every word of this blog and opening my eyes to the way my son and family have been living nearly all of their marriage. I love my family! I know that God will heal the hurt,pain and misunderstanding and miscommunication that has gone on in this cult. They will be free one day (maybe not in my life time) but I have faith they will all be free. My husband would have (if he were alive… Read more »
Thank you for reading, and I'm glad you have some faith in God for the future of your family. I am writing an article right now addressing the perspective of friends and loved ones of people in the sect. I'm finding more and more family members reading this blog. Stay tuned.
An leader with a superiority complex, the arrogant, will never say anything good about another person. How do you know when you have done something good or acceptable in their opinion? Silence. With the arrogant, who will not say anything good, then by default silence becomes approval. If the arrogant disagree with something you have said or done the are very quick to correct you. When the federal employee in the Stanton CA congregation stood up to give a talk and spoke about slapping his daughter at the dinner table, and the wrong daughter got slapped by mistake, the Evangelist… Read more »
A present evangelist?
The evangelist in Spring valley is arrogant calling himself a "control freak". Domination and control are they identifying marks of an arrogant person. The evangelist in Spring Valley has also said that even if someone is right "do not give them any satisfaction" again an arrogant attitude to refuse acknowledging the truth to remain in a position of superiority over others. Yes it was the evangelist in Spring Valley who sat in silent approval in 2002 when the talks about slapping children in the face were given.
Anyone have audio of the 2002 talks about slapping children in the face?
The first talk was done by John Grotroe and he was ashamed of his behavior. The man following him, the federal employee in Stanton, made his comments before giving his talk and I do not believe they were recorded as part of his talk.
Have it. Will upload by tomorrow.
Sorry the talks were stripped of that one.
I still have a lot of talks still on tapes and discs that I will look through. Anybody know the name of the talk?
There is a danger in listening to the recorded talks: that is how the unscriptural teachings are spread and if you start listening to cassette tapes instead of studying your bible you will become deceived. Paul the Apostles taught in 2 Thessalonians 3:10 that if any will not work they should not eat; the exact opposite is taught in many of the lessons. Parasites, and those that choose to live the parasitical lifestyle, are true burdens to others and some men in the church choose to be parasites rather than working full time and practicing money management. I was discouraged… Read more »
All this sickens me.. I knew some of this.. But to actually teach someone to wait till someone dies…sick sick sick! And people accept this junk! Unreal…. Just unreal! They want nothing to do with the so called worldly people but they would sure take their money… Lol
It was the example set by a teacher during a talk, he was boasting, implying that God was blessing him with 8,000 dollars; and he was the same one who encouraged a twenty five hour work week to get more government benefits and many men followed his example and neglected their wives and children financially hoping for a big inheritance too. The scriptures say different in Proverbs 13:11 he that gathers by labor shall increase, it is by labor that men are to provide for their families and not time and chance (yes government benefits are helpful but benefits should… Read more »
I remember hearing how welfare was put in place to benifit Merie's followers. Yes, don't challenge your teachers or else you'll get in trouble even though what you bring to them is correct. Who's the stubborn?
Some different ways Merie's cult and dictators handled and handles withdrawals rather they are righteous or more commonly unrighteousness. You commit a sin deemed to be withdrawn from and you come to the meeting you are withdrawn from. Don't dare object right GP, TC and KS. If you don't come to your withdrawal meeting you may or may not be withdrawn from. If you were not withdrawn from GP may up to 22 months later and declare I should've withdrawn from them. Treat them as they are withdrawn from. Someone withdrawn from declares they are not a member but the… Read more »
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Why would Kevin be hard up for money? That's a silly immature statement. It's what is known as spamming. It happens all the time on blogs, nothing new.
Wisdom is a behavior that is seen when a person exercise self restraint. Foolishness is a behavior that is seen when a person does not exercise self restraint. A glutton is a person with an unrestrained desire and the desire can be for food, work, or any of a number of other things. The wise will restrain the desire not to nothing or zero but rather to that which is good. (Proverbs 11:23) In our minds if we will restrain our desires to just what God's law allows we develop wisdom through self restraint. If I only desire my spouse… Read more »
I was instructed when I was a babe in the church not to be looking around at others but to look at myself in all matters and this caused a great blindness in me and in others. In the book of proverbs it gives many warnings about the wicked, the fools, and others who will willingly and unwillingly do you harm but I always wondered how to identify these dangerous people and then avoid then,(and especially not become a dangerous person myself.) The book of proverbs gives many identifying behaviors of both the wise and the fools and the righteous… Read more »
And the members actually go along with the so called one brother one sister reasoning.. Crazy!
Maybe everyone celebrating Christmas. The blog has slowed down missing Kevin. Happy New Year!
Love every one of you! Hope you are doing well with the blessings of the Lord!
One of the biggest stumbling blocks I was taught is that God is not good. When you do not believe in the goodness of God you lose interest in your salvation very quickly. I finally realized that my teacher was not God or the personification of God but rather just a man. A man who was very self centered and got jealous of anyone else who got any attention while he was present, and he used insults, put downs, and any other type of belittlement to make you look bad so he could once again be the center of attention.… Read more »
Yes probably spending time with family since so many of us didn't do it for years… that's what this holiday season is for! To treasure those who truly love you and are there for you no matter what … even when we treated them harshly or in a judgemental way because of the cult.
Here's to 2018… happy New year to you all, and may it bring peace and joy in truth!
It is sad you were treated the way you were and thank goodness you got away Anon 12/30.
I have been a Christian for years and never think about God cursing me. What a joy Christmas can be if we don’t have to put up with family members in the cult as was always a depressing downer. Praying for some joy in each of you that has escaped and happiness. And Praying for those left behind that God will reveal to them the real truth! Happy New Year!
Thank you. As I go through the book of Psalms I read of the great relationship David had with God, how he so freely made his requests know to God and how he said God loaded him daily with blessings, and how different a church under oppression is. When prayer requests were made it became a source of ammunition for persecution and not a source of help; as a result fewer and fewer prayer requests were made. I often have to stop and ask myself when reading the book of Psalms where is this God that David keeps talking about?… Read more »
2017 was a big eye opener concerning Merie’s church. With a clear understanding that I’d only gotten wet 20 years ago and being a nonmember I had no problem checking into what this church is really about. Disregarding the bully paid preacher from SV and his threat I chose to do my do diligence and apply my God given right to read this blog. What I read sicken me to think I was involved with this as I know now cult. As Kevin’s last article titled the real off church I could now easily prove as such. How disingenuous these… Read more »
I am so proud of you son and how you are moving forward with your life as we all pray for our other family members to see real truth. 2018 is going to be a great year. We have sunshine which makes me want to write and journal about m y own life with Jesus. Remember all who are reading this The Promises of God. 1 Kings 8:56 and many many others. I wonder if they ever discussed them? Happy New Year!
If you have not studied The Promises of God I encourage you to do so.
In my studies of human behavior I find very clear indicators of future behavior in Solomon's Proverbs. In Proverbs 6:26 it mention that the adulteress will hunt for the precious life and having read a few tales of adulteress whom convinced their paramours to kill their husband it rings true. An adulteress will seek for the precious life, that is the good life, the rich life, and will resort to killing if necessary to get it. One woman raised in the seven day Adventist religion and married to a leading preacher simply went through the church records of tithing's which… Read more »
Should I allow contact from SCOC active members after separating in 2002? I avoid the more aggressive members from the Phoenix group and I can't believe the preacher from Albuquerque has anything good to say. The preacher from Albuquerque refused to take my phone calls or council with me for the last six months I was active, this is silent rejection and wisdom teaches that when people reject you you are to reject them in return. John the Baptist was a gate keeper, he demanded fruits of repentance from the Pharisees who came to his baptism, this was to prove… Read more »
Hi everyone! I have a question I would like to throw out there, and have you all share scriptures that would answer it.
When a member of a “church” KNOWS they teach man-made doctrines and they recognize there is controlling/ oppression issues within, what does the scripture say about continuing to be a part of that “church”?
For me Donna I start with ecclestics 3 there is a time and season for everything. There is a time to suffer under oppression but there is a time to speak against it. When the oppression turns criminal like physical abuse, defrauding the Lord's treasury, stalking brethren and reporting back to the oppressive leader your every word or action, then it is time to get out. My children were abused at church babysitting and today my daughter is 21 and displaying the same behaviors of her abuser, the cycle of abuse is hard to break, it would be easier to… Read more »
Thank you Anon 7:22. I pray that more members of Stanton “churches” flee before things turn violent, but I understand why so many of us endured years and even decades of oppression. To me it comes down to that sect stealing people’s identity when they instil in you NOT TO LISTEN TO YOUR HEART. When we believe lies because we were taught not to trust our own judgement, we don’t see leaving as an option. A scripture that was used against all the “false religions” with Stanton’s group was 2 John 9-11Anyone who does not continue in the teaching of… Read more »
Yes Donna and with 2 John 9-11 people can be in full fellowship and attend every church function and not have God due to their own disobedience the Pharissee were an example of this, they were some of the most religious people on the face of the earth and yet the most wicked killing the Christ.
Donna to me Matt 15:14 is a good verse. It tells you what to do with people who teach their own rules/doctrines.
"Let them alone. They are blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind leads the blind, both will fall into a ditch.”
So we do what Christ himself commanded here. Leave them.
M Long: that is a good one. When people are so controlled and fearful to leave, but are ‘sitting on the fence’, I believe that scripture is the second best answer for their rescue- prayer being the first.
Everyone please pray for those who are still captive by man-made doctrines. Pray that they can know the true doctrine of Christ based on love, the greatest commandment. Matthew 22:36-40
What a good discussion Donna. It gives me hope that my family members may someday leave.
For me it was – Matthew 18:15-17 15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. 16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. 17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a… Read more »
"people can be in full fellowship and attend every church function" What was going on was that this is what many of the teachers, and through them, many of the members were doing the same thing of judging people's righteousness by their attendance. There was an older brother, who was hurt and it hindered much of his movement and somebody said that was a great encouragement to them to see them, "pushing their flesh" to go. Another sister in another congregation broke their leg and it was hurting them so much one night they were going to stay home, but… Read more »
Oppression is very alive in Merie’s cult. Just ask the Tacoma member’s and the teacher who applied it. Well she’ll have some time to think about it. Very disturbing things I heard throughout my 20 years which many had a common denominator. Oppression.
A new topic should be on identifying secret or hidden teachings within the SCOC. Through observation I have identified some such as a new member is not allowed to have friends outside the church this is taught as we don't fellowship with the world and you are going to be kicked out because we shall judge our brethren. Studying false religions I see the same or similar hidden rules in their groups, false religions like the oneness Pentecostal group and the Jehovah witness. Hidden teachings do exist and are used against fellow members.
Anon 6:22- It is true SCOC have hidden doctrines- hidden until they feel like they have you captive, and then they come out with the man-made “judgements and doctrines’ that you wouldn’t believe unless your mind has been clouded by so-called “LOVE”. Hidden doctrines such as rules for the marriage bed are kept from ‘babes’. I remember, very vividly, a brother who was trying to help, who made copies of May meeting questions and handed them to everyone at class, including BABES. He about lost his head over that one! SCOC goes to great lengths to snare new members, just… Read more »
I used to believe that too, in that we ignore our friends and family, until I studied more on this verse – Luke 16:7-9 7 Then said he to another, And how much owest thou? And he said, An hundred measures of wheat. And he said unto him, Take thy bill, and write fourscore. 8 And the lord commended the unjust steward, because he had done wisely: for the children of this world are in their generation wiser than the children of light. 9 And I say unto you, Make to yourselves friends of the mammon of unrighteousness; that, when… Read more »
I cannot even imagine going to church and having oppression all around me. Once again I mention so many health problems in the cult I am familiar with and even though I am not a doctor I do have common sense and can see how some of these health issues can be eliminated if they could just break away and live a normal life. And this tattle tale issue is another sick example.
Ezekiel chapter 33 was often used, I believe, as a way to convince members to tattle on others to the teachers. These same scripture will apply to those who know false doctrines are being taught , but who sit on the fence and ignore the facts. Warnings are not only blatant outcries, but the nudges from the Holy Spirit.
I have used this to apply in these situations and teaches me how to be, as well. Ezekiel 34:1-4 1 And the word of the Lord came unto me, saying, 2 Son of man, prophesy against the shepherds of Israel, prophesy, and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God unto the shepherds; Woe be to the shepherds of Israel that do feed themselves! should not the shepherds feed the flocks? 3 Ye eat the fat, and ye clothe you with the wool, ye kill them that are fed: but ye feed not the flock. 4 The diseased have ye… Read more »
Lynn: I think about these verses and the serious consequences there would be for not abiding by these laws. Stanton is too busy building anyone up in pride that they don’t have time for helping the infirmed. As soon as someone shows their loyalty to their teachers by tattling, they begin grooming them for responsibility and “teaching” and preaching. This cult does not teach anyone to fear God, but they teach to please men among them. It’s no surprise that pornography is a problem in their ranks because FEAR doesn’t change a man truly. Love and respect for God brings… Read more »
I meant to post the verse of the scripture I referred to-
Isaiah 65:5
If I remember correctly BB was always being tattled on by YOU. Why, because you believed the scripture and were duped? Or because it gave you a sense of power against your husband.
That happened to me in that I counsel with the "Preacher from the south" about an area that I was having to deal with with my wife in helping keep the house clean and he told me to leave her. The next Sunday his wife ripped me a new one in morning class. Between the both of the I received no help and I never counseled with them again. Many times is was brought out in classes that I wouldn't. So, when PC was in town I counseled with her about something and shared that with another brother and that… Read more »
But….do you all still believe that salvation is only in the C of C. I don't mean the SCOC.
This whole debate about salvation through a specifically named church comes about as a result of a deep misunderstanding of what the "church of Christ" really is. Back in the 1800's, when Thomas Campbell, and later, Alexander Campbell, Barton Stone, et al, used that term, they meant it not as a proper noun, but as a description. It was the "church belonging to Christ" not the "Church of Christ." Jesus' church, made up of all saved believers throughout the world, is not Biblically a denomination (a named organization). It is only a spiritual body of individuals, and there is no… Read more »
Donna, do you believe the above? You go to a C o C now, I think you said….do they believe that you can be saved outside of the C o C doctrine on baptism for instance.
I have to disagree with Kevin on one part and that is how to identify the true believer and that is through their behavior. I have met believers who have all the fruits of the spirit, including understandings of the scriptures in groups other than the SCOC and I have known members of the "I knew Marie club" who have none of the fruits of the spirit but rather personify Satan. It is by their behaviors the righteous and wicked are identified both in and out of the COC's. Babes are taught not to look at others but at themselves… Read more »
Anon 1:56, with what do you disagree? I agree with your comment above completely.
My bad I misunderstood a part of your post.
Anon 11:58 I do belong to a Church of Christ and I do believe there are Christians in other churches because I have met many people who are followers of Christ and have witnessed the sacrifices they are making, which is far greater than anyone in the SCOC. I have heard ‘their story’ and have been amazed how God is working in their lives. God is MUCH bigger than the box the SCOC puts him in- because He is not limited to that tiny sect of individuals as to who He hears the prayers of.
Donna, that''s not what was asked. does the coc you go to "believe that you can be saved outside of the coc doctrine on baptism". Does "their story" include that they followed acts 2:38.
Anon 4:18 the church I attend teaches that baptism is nessasary for salvation, but we also do not condemn those to Hell who believe differently. Does God want us to abide by the letter of the law, or does He want our heart? He will judge.
Anon 4:18, why don't you say exactly what *you* believe rather than trying to pin down Donna on what her church "believes." I have news for you, "churches" don't believe anything, they are simply legal entities for tax purposes. People believe things, not organizations. I'm pretty confident that the people who attend Donna's church believe a pretty wide spectrum of things regarding salvation. That said, I have been clear on this site that I believe a person needs to believe and obey the gospel as in Acts 2 in order to be saved. Can God, in his infinite wisdom, make… Read more »
so donna, if "baptims is necessary for salvation", but if someone believes differently, then they are not saved? K…isn't gods infinite wisdom found in his words
Anon 642 Donna and Kevin have both answered your question. And God's infinite wisdom may be found in the Bible but because it's humans without infinite wisdom who read and interpret it, well, therein lies the issue.
What is at issue here is not the method of salvation (which is baptism) but rather is the Marie sect, the one true church as it claims. The answer is in their behavior. If a church substitutes criticism of others for biblical doctrine is it still a true church? Not in my experience, what it is doing is feeding its members faith in their own supremacy rather than feeding their members faith in God. Once a church departs from the strictness of the gospel it is downward ride into Hell. When I went out from my dying church it no… Read more »
M Long, that's exactly right. Anon 6:42, words are like pixels rendering an image. The image in the mind of the artist is perfect, but the pixels, and the device they are rendered on, limit how clear the pixels convey the artist's intent.
So it is with words. God's thoughts are perfect. Words are imperfect vehicles for those thoughts, and humans are even more imperfect as interpreters of those thoughts. We vary in intelligence, education, ideological biases, etc.
Yes Kevin and I find God is not limited to his word as we humans are. An example is seen in Matthew where Christ teaches that if any would deny him before men then Christ would deny him before God and later in Matthew we read of Peter denying Christ before men and he was not condemned but forgiven, truly God is greater than his law because he shows mercy and forgives, and we should do the same. Another example with Peter in Acts 12 is how Herod because he saw it pleased the Jews put Peter in prison but… Read more »
Great examples, Anon 8:39. Too many Christians need to learn more humility. We don't know the complete mind of God in every circumstance. We're human. It's impossibile for a finite being to know how an infinite being will react to someone else's life choices. We can teach what we know with humility, but never with absolute knowledge of how God will ultimately judge the situation.
Anon 7:45- My husband and I were baptized into the SCOC church very young, 19 & 20 years old. We believed what we were taught on salvation; Hear, believe, repent, confess, and be baptized. Over a process of time teachings were added that we did not believe, and each time we tried to counter them, we were belittled, labeled as ‘spiritually immature’, babes without understanding, and told to accept the counsel of the “older ones”. It’s ironic that these same “older ones” deemed us ‘ready’ to ‘go out’ to help a congregation in Illinois months prior. I endured withdraw twice… Read more »
Donna, your story, and more importantly, the story of your two daughters, speaks volumes. I've never met them or you (that I know of) but I'm grateful to know your story. It's inspiring, and should inspire everyone reading this to know that Jesus is alive and well outside of Stanton.
Donna, at risk of sounding like an evangelical, 😉 what an amazing testimony. I too found a place to worship that sounds similar to yours. How neat about your daughters. I pray your husband joins you one day. I met him once. Nice, nice man.
M Long- I’m very happy for you that you found a church you like. When I first visited my church I realized that God had his hand in me finding it. My spirit was certainly set free and I was able to enjoy praising Him, rather than be concerned about tedious details about how the “worship” was to be conducted. Merie’s cult has no idea what it is to PRAISE & worship God. For anyone who is afraid to step into a church after leaving Merie’s cult, please trust God and take that step. You won’t regret it. Go with… Read more »
Anon- You are right, I did tattle on my husband. I was taught and believed we had a responsibility to do so. In hindsight it was partly due to pride, and it was this faughtly practice that pitted wives against their husbands and took authority from the man of the home. I regret those things. I have to say that when I was sat down just before I left the Des Moines congregation, God helped me see myself and it was in the spirit of humility that I was able to see the practices of that cult that are so… Read more »
Donna, spot on concerning the destruction of the home. They should be so ashamed of the damage that is caused by their teachings, rules and practices that are not authorized by God. Tattling is huge in Portland as well. A common saying I’d hear from a teacher was keep on talking. Get counsel. These people cannot think for themselves. Numerous times what I heard from the teacher and preacher were wrong. Point keep talking and get counsel good chance you’ll end up tattling on your spouse about something.
What is destroyed is trust. Not being able to trust your spouse destroys the foundation of the marriage relationship. Whatever I said to my wife came out the teaching preachers mouth the next bible class as reproof so I stopped talking to my wife and separation and divorce followed. It would have been more acceptable if the reproof had a scriptural basis but it was put out as an insult, (as in I know you secrets and will publicly humiliate you as I please.) My sexual activities with my wife were publicly shared, there was no privacy, no intamcy between… Read more »
Anon 6:11- so true that trust is destroyed. I’m sorry that happened between you and your wife. I’m still trying to figure out WHY we didn’t leave after we questioned the judgements that led to our withdraws concerning marriage bed rules. We were very young, and that was used against us. “You are babes. You don’t have understanding.” Yet, he was right. Counsel was dead wrong, yet they refused to ask forgiveness of anyone. WHY we didn’t leave? I’m still learning these things as I continue to recover from the negative effects this cult. Co-depentdants are what that cult breeds.… Read more »
Hey Donna! I can't answer as to why you didn't leave, but I can share some of the reasons I didn't.I was raised with a verbally abusive and physically abusive mother. It took me awhile to realize that I was used to being criticized and ridiculed. To me, it was normal. One time my husband heard me talking to myself "How stupid can you be?" etc. He stopped me and told me to never talk to myself like that again. He shared with me that he knew I wasn't stupid, and that often we believe our own words. I realized… Read more »
Donna, I completely understand. I ask myself a lot of Why's too. Anon, I agree that trust is destroyed in many marriages in the SCOC. It pushes counsel so much that it becomes normal to tattle on your spouse. I did plenty of it. This week marks a year I left Merie's Church. This has been the best year of my marriage. For some reason my husband and I were finally able to better talk thru the issues in our marriage. Before we just wanted to be told what to do in our situations but it meant telling on each… Read more »
M Long- congratulations on making one of the most serious decisions in your life a year ago. Now you can LIVE! I have been out for three and a half years. I have been able to rebuild relationships with my grown kids. I was in SCOC 36 years! Sometimes I get frustrated that my husband still goes, but “there ain’t nothing gonna steal my joy!”
How long were you and your husband in?
Donna, I was in for almost 10 years with my 2nd and 3rd years fallen away/withdrawn for not leaving my then-husband FP because our marriage was deemed unscriptural due to his adultery in his first marriage (long before me). He's been a member for 34 years now and still goes. My husband now was in for about 5 years and had no COC experience before.While I hate the damage divorce does, I am thankful for my 2nd marriage to someone who cares more for his family than about Merie Weiss. My ex literally still has originals of some of her… Read more »
M Long- you had me concerned there for a moment as you said your husband has been in 34 years and still goes. I was relieved when I read on. The subject of “marriage & divorce” was on the table probably 10 years, ruining marriages and splitting families. That was one of the big subjects on the timeline I drew with the teachings that came and went with each May meeting.
Happy you got out and have your beautiful family and a husband who has time to spend with them and you.
Donna.. I was one of those that had to divorce because of the church
Anon 4:32 I’m sorry you had to go thru that. It infuriates me to remember how they “toyed” with that topic back and forth. You never knew from one May meeting to the next if you were going to be married!
I didn’t go through this but I had those close to me who did. Then the kids who were left in the wake didn’t see the faithful Christian very much because they were not able to travel without counsel.
Donna, so they actually went back and forth with this? Letting couples stay married then changing their minds? Mine was approx 9 years ago
Anon 5:14 they sure did! One May couples were told they must separate so men had to find another place to live and women had to seek employment, and children were greatly affected. One man in the congregation we were in was literally thrown out of his house by his wife. He rarely got to see his sons. Later the judgement was reversed, but the damage never could be.
Donna… Sad sad.. So what is their so called rule now?
Often spoken words from still the only preacher in Portland for now over a year+ while getting haha counsel from him. He’d tell you what to say to your wife and his parting words were “let me know what she says”.
Craig- the Stanton “churches” find whichever spouse is more loyal to them, then turn them into a teacher. As we have all seen, it is more often the wives who are groomed to be teachers, and in the wake the husbands are depicted as unstable, weak men. That group loves to have women in the lead tofollow in the footsteps of their leader. They leave men believing they are unworthy, incapable, lacking backbone. They destroy the spirit of these men. For the same reason these men don’t trust their own judgement when they consider leaving “the faith”.
Donna excellent points. Yes, I can reflect of how many men in Portland were deemed weak by the preacher thus incapable of being a help.
There are very powerful psychological reason why you stayed so long and suffered the abuse. The steps in recruitment are: invitation to an event, love bombing, prize dangling, obtaining agreement that the recruit wants the prize, threats to withhold the prize to discourage dissent, guilt creation, punishment and reward depending upon behavior, absolute control (of information, of environment, of interactions, etc.) These steps are the basics of recruitment and indoctrination. By controlling members outlook on life cults are able to brainwash members into obedience to the leader. It is only when a person adopts a different outlook on life that… Read more »
Anon 9:39- very shortly after I left this cult I suddenly realized just how much I had cut myself off from “the world”. I did not know my neighbors. I really regret bringing up my kids with this mindset. All I can do now is to pray for my family and be a light to them. At my church, myself and a few others started a RECOVERY group. Most of the attendees are recovering addicts. For me it is a very different story., but we all share many of the same emotional scars. Our group is named “Out of Darkness”,… Read more »
Anon 9:39 can I ask which congregation you were in and how you came to be so well educated on the physiological aspects of cults?
I meant psycological
How many out there felt like “I didn’t sign up for this”’ after we were baptized and started to hear teaching that was new and different?
I look back and feel like I SHOULD HAVE, but teachers smoothed things over and made us look up to them.
Donna, wow great question. 100% I did not sign up for what I would end up hearing that could not be backed up with scripture. Love bombed in the beginning. Going through 20 years of Merie’s cults rules when I was not even a member makes it even more disheartening that I wasted the years that should’ve been invested wisely. I’d love to see confidentially how many currant and former members feel the same as your comment. I was certainly lied to concerning what I was really getting into as information that is important before getting involved should be made… Read more »
Donna my burning question on cults was how did they do It? Cults come in every shape and size and can be centered around anything, such as business, or politics, or religion. What makes a cult good or bad is the morality of the leadership. In business cults example Amway they use deceitful accounting practices which is evil and many Amway members have been investigated for tax evasion by the IRS, but members of the Dave Ramsey business cult have not. Dave Ramsey would be considered a good cult due to its morality, Amway bad due to its lack of… Read more »
Anon 6:56 It seems SCOC recruited members by offering them membership to become one of the very few who followed “truth” and to no longer be ignorant, as if it were a privilege.
The method of recruitment differs from person to person and church to church but once a member it is slowly revealed that they serve a spiritual leader here on earth and put aside the son of God as unimportant. The mandating of women wearing nylons is just another example of totalitarian leadership, that is setting a dress code for members by leadership. The deeper lessons in love are replaced by backsliding into carnality and Judiasm. The teaching of women do not wear that which pertains to a man, that women so not wear pants with a zipper on the front… Read more »
A behavior of evil leaders is to legislate (create rules and regulations) that force others into obedience to their authority. The organizational laws(sometime called bylaws) do not exist in the real world only within the group and only during the reign of the leader who created them. Once the leader has been replaced the followers are told "we no longer do that". New bylaws are created by each new leader for the period of their reign. Christians thankfully have written scriptures to follow and not the whims of each new leader. Many "judgements" have come and gone as the SCOC… Read more »
Step 8 in recruitment is absolute control. At this stage the leader takes over the life of the recruit. The leader controls the information the recruit can access, the leader controls the people you interact with, the leader controls the environment you are exposed to, and the leader dictates your dress code. At this point the recruit is now a member and is totally under the control of the group. I saw this in the SCOC I attended.
The weakness in converting a COC into a cult of personality is that it demands over dependence upon an authority figure rather than virtuous living. When a weak Christian is tempted by Satan that Christian will give into temptation rather than follow the example of Christ who refuted every temptation Satan presented him with. When tempted with the love of a fornicator/adulteresd/whore (let's call it strange for brevity) refute that person by saying the love of a spouse is sweeter than honey, the love of strange is the poison of a scorpion. The love of a spouse is described in… Read more »
Anon 1:10 can you explain what is “ a cult of personality” please?
Isn’t it also that weak members give into temptations because they try to fill a void that is there from not having a true relationship with God because they serve man?
Cult of personality is when one exalts themselves above God, making themselves a god in the process. The beginning stages a cult leader will use the scriptures but will quickly assert their will as more important, how many times have you been told "Marie said" instead of Jesus said?
Wisdom is being able to create a big effect with just a few words. One example of this is in financial matters between believers. Christ was asked one time to say something to a man's brother so he could get part of the inheritance And Christ refused saying who made me a judge or ruler over you? Paul the apostle reaffirmed this judgement that spiritual leaders are not to make financial decisions between believers when he said dare any of you go to law one against another and that before unbelievers? Let the least esteemed be the judge in such… Read more »
I'm awed by the spiritual maturity I see coming from the conversation here. Thanks to everyone keeping the conversation positive and edifying. I do have a couple of articles in my head that will find their way into the page soon.
God bless, and I hope everyone has a good "Easter" to use the SCOC's KJV. Lol
Donna, you are correct. That is exactly what they put into your mind.
Craig, I think you mentioned it before but how many of your kids go and are baptized? I'm still on top of my 2 boys every day to make sure they never step foot in there.. This blog takes alot of ink.. Lol
How a person uses knowledge/Wisdom tells you about their personality. In ecclesiastical Solomon makes an observation about a poor wise man who saved his city through his wisdom but was soon forgotten. The arrogant mind uses all knowledge to exalt and empower themselves, the conscience mind uses knowledge/Wisdom to help themselves and others at the same time. The poor wise man saved not only his city but himself in the process. To some knowledge is power(the arrogant) to others knowledge is salvation (those who follow their conscience). How do you use your knowledge?
Anon 9:43 two of four children attend with three mother. None of my children have been baptized in the cult. The two children who attend do so to be with friends which they do have good life long friends from the cult. They are bored with everything concerning the cult outside of the fellowships and friends. All my children are learning the truth about the cult, it’s practices and history as well as the unscriptural withdrawal of myself.
Donna 4:11 is what I was referring too.
It’s presented as an elite, exclusive club. It amazes me how Satan works to give up all of our past beliefs to follow a strange new doctrine. My dad was my hero growing up. He died when I was 14. I decided to live my life to make him proud, but after joining that cult they convinced me that my dad went to hell. I believed that for 36 years. I resent many things SCOC took from me, but if I hadn’t gone through those things, I wouldn’t be so grateful for God’s grace and the freedom He has given… Read more »
If they make a mistake, they say that the mistake was of God, and that he allowed it and sanctioned it. They don't believe they have to apologize or be contrite for their mistakes, but woe to the poor commoner who isn't contrite before them!!! If anyone opposes them, they will destroy that person's family before they will ever admit they were wrong. Admitting they were wrong is something they simply cannot do. They will commit suicide before they admit they were wrong. They shriek about the pride of any who oppose them and their authoritarian decrees, while exhibiting the… Read more »
They wonder why they don't grow. When I was withdrawn from in 2008, I told them, "You will not grow until you change your hopeless doctrine". Ten years later, the Vallejo church hasn't added five permanent members from the world, despite knocking on 300,000 doors. The futility of their efforts is quite obvious to see to everyone but them. Like the Southern Plantation owners in the Confederacy who forbade their slaves from reading, the Stanton Church strongly discourages any reading outside the Bible and the Bible reading must be in accord with the teachers opinion, or you are sowing seeds… Read more »
What is astounding to me, is even though I firmly believe masturbation and pornography are the number one threat to our nation, and I'm not alone, as Josh McDowell, Fight the New Drug, Alexander Rhodes, Gabe Deem, Noah Church, Mark Laaser, Steve Arterburn, Gail Dines ( a radical Marxist feminazi, but astute on the damaging effects of pornography, though explicitly and unnecesarily graphic), the National Coalition to End Sexual Exploitation, and Fred Stoeker all agree with me, the church keeps proceeding with it's disastrous efforts to become "pure". Damning people with church epithets like "effeminacy", or other imaginary consequences of… Read more »
One of my mistakes was getting on the Stanton FB page. I had never been on FB before July of 2013, and when I got on, I thought this would bring about change to the church. I got caught up in FB, among other things, and went from having a successful business, to losing just about everything. I'm not worried, because I know the same principles that got me that business, and by using them can get another one in about half the time, but it taught me not to use social media. I learned some valuable lessons too. Our… Read more »
Umm, pretty sure the Founders of America knew the Bible and history BETTER THAN EVERY SINGLE MAN IN THE STANTON CHURCH OF CHRIST. Unlike all of us in America today, the Founders didn't waste one minute watching hellivision, and the average American today wastes 9 years in front of it. The founders never used psychotropic drugs, and you'd be hard pressed to find anyone in the church or America who has never used mind altering drugs. They also never viewed porn, and 100% of the men in America today, including those in the church, have viewed porn at one time… Read more »
It's all mass disinformation. Over 90% of the sports teams are in Democrat cities, designed to distract the men from their duty. We are being enslaved and the Democrat equivalent of "Bread and Circuses" is Monday Night Football, porn, and welfare. Stanton is suckered nearly as bad as the world. I was a huge fan of sports in my youth and all the way up until about 8 years ago, when I was enlightened. Now, I'm disgusted by hellivision, Hollyweird, sports, entertainment, Democrats, the tech companies and a lot of other corrupt entities in our nation. I'll take the Founders… Read more »
Wow, ok. Kind of a document dump, but welcome, "Monte Christo." 🙂 Agreed on most of your observations except calling SCOC "our church." I think most readers would disagree with that. Other than that–welcome to the NRA! Lol
After reading all from Monte Christopher I would be depressed….very depressed. Thank goodness I am not! Maybe I live in a bubble but if so I am glad I do!
I am curious how he lost his business due to FB? In any event he has a few good points such as the cult wanting control of their flock, etc. will be waiting for more discussion from his comments. Wonder how he came up with the name?
he's a messano. Ryan
no. The story of Edmund Dantes, self-styled Count of Monte Cristo, is told with consummate skill. The victim of a miscarriage of justice, Dantes is fired by a desire for retribution and empowered by a stroke of providence. In his campaign of vengeance, he becomes an anonymous agent of fate. The sensational narrative of intrigue, betrayal, escape, and triumphant revenge moves at a cracking pace.
Donna, the moment I left Merie's Church I said exactly that to myself–I will not allow them to take me away from God! So many leave convinced it's the only place to find God so they just don't search for Him elsewhere. I saw that and experienced it in a prior withdrawal / falling away so I knew not to do it again as well as the spiritual damage that causes!For anyone to exalt Merie's Church despite knowing the spiritual death it causes to so many is naive and even ignorant.I absolutely love both the book and movie The Count… Read more »
you truly believe that they are all just robots? thats kind of rude considering everything theyve done for you. dont let your bitterness get the best of your words. and go ahead, deny the bitterness all you want, but your name calling, your wordings, and your tone would speak otherwise.
@ m long
Yeah I do think most are robots. A robot is controlled by another person. That's why people can disconnect from others by someone just telling them to. Even if they don't know the situation or don't bother finding out because they were programmed to respond that way. The term for those aiming to get out of cults is called "deprogramming" for a reason. It's not a new concept. And anon, you keep mentioning ALL they've done for me. Like what? What do you think people there sacrificed for me? A babysitting here and there? A friendship that most willingly cut… Read more »
Anon 7:09 I’ll second M Long’s description of most are robots withen the cult. Very true so many cannot think for themselves nor are they encouraged too. Just get counsel. As I’ve said before I’ll speak concerning the two haha counselors in Portland. They are not equipped to counsel kindergarteners. Absolute joke. And they are guiding peoples lives. Yikes. Do robots is a perfect description of these cult members which means I’m married to a robot. Lol
From one former robot to another, thank you Craig., 🙂
I am curious what formal education do these preachers have?
Concerned Outsider: When I was in, most had a high school education. A few had some college, I know the evangelist in the south has been to college in California. Not one of them, that I am aware of, ever had any training in counselling. No formal training that is. No going to seminars to be trained or online or by a school or business. Most were educated/trained by the example of their teacher/teachers. That's one of the things that concerned me. No training of preachers and teachers. No checks and balances as to how they are doing. No continual… Read more »
Concerned, Debby is correct. There is neither theological training or counseling training there. Lots of things end up being public fodder.
The funny thing is that the members are actually pretty good at keeping the whole cult's problems to themselves. That's the one thing they DON'T gossip about! Suddenly everything is a secret, kind of like this site is kept as secret as possible especially from younger ones!
Anon 8:40. You’re welcome. Yes a former robot. So happy to live my life not according to the two jokester counselors in Portland.
The biggest business in America today is student debt at $1.3 trillion. Formal schooling is a joke and the mainline Christian church is a disgrace. 90% of Christians know the hellivisions more than the Bible and history, and they are lukewarm and aren't even remotely close to going to heaven. Preachers educated in college are often in it for the pay, and teach to dead churches who are contributing to the demise of Christianity. If a church doesn't forbid birth control, you know for a fact they aren't going to heaven. Never mind our church, birth control was illegal in… Read more »
MC it's not the church's business to be forbidding anyone on birth control. If people today want only a certain number of kids that's their business. Maybe you did fine in a large family but I can think of at least a couple huge families who didn't. My ex used to say that he only had so many kids with his ex because Merie's church told him to. They ended up divorced. Either way, it's not the church's or the governnent's job to tell people how many kids to have. China does just that but to the other extreme. I… Read more »
Excuse me!!! This is the lukewarm church I'm talking about!!! Birth control is destructive to societies and it's really easy to deceive women on it. Just sucker them into the idea that having kids is a terrible pain and they fall for it. I'm right by a yoga studio, and the single and married women troop in all day long. They have as much joy as a person in a funeral. They are like zombies, mechanically pursuing a routine. They are trying to retain their beauty, but they refuse to fulfil the purpose of that beauty, which was to marry… Read more »
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Family/Parents%20Corner/big_families.htm I'm not really even kind about this, because America is being destroyed by her own citizens. Abe Lincoln, when he was only 28, said it very well, "How then shall we perform it?–At what point shall we expect the approach of danger? By what means shall we fortify against it?– Shall we expect some transatlantic military giant, to step the Ocean, and crush us at a blow? Never!–All the armies of Europe, Asia and Africa combined, with all the treasure of the earth (our own excepted) in their military chest; with a Buonaparte for a commander, could not by… Read more »
Our nation did just FINE before contraception was illicitly legalized by the same rogue SCOTUS in 1965, who went onto illicitly legalize porn four years later, and abortion, just four years after that. I'm afraid you have a serious disconnect when you compare outlawing birth control with China, who murders babies. Also, what you don't realize, is that a government that fails to ban abortion, contraception, porn, homosexuality, and psychotropic drugs, becomes a massive police state due to all the problems that arise as consequences of these vices. The Founders knew that liberty was impossible without virtue, and that libertarians… Read more »
That's awesome you have 6 children, but the entire purpose of sex is marriage and children. It's selfish to consider anything else. American women understood this before 1964 and our nation flourished. Since then, American men and women became selfish and our nation is destroying itself. This is why God gave the man the final say, because men don't just look at money and feelings, they look at the good of the society long term. I know there are plenty of women who will spitefully say, "Well then you'll never get married". That's fine!!!! I'll die alone and single. "It's… Read more »
And for me bothering to object to this Pharisaism, the church will blast out all of my confidences over the years, and make sure that everyone within earshot of a SCOC knows that Monte Cristo is a major league rebellious sinner, was a bad apple since birth, is public enemy number one, and should never be spoken to, as he is a dangerous deceive and deluded. Stanton also firmly believes I am crazy, (LOL, who don't they think that about who disagrees with them?), and that talking with me is no different from talking with Satan. I visited their May… Read more »
Anyhow, I have to tell you, M Long, your earlier exchange with the gentleman where you said it was off topic and you were leaving the conversation, WAS HILARIOUS!! I was laughing until I cried. Sorry, it was pure comedy. Anyhow, I mean no harm, but will not be silent on issues that matter, when we are in a nation that is dysfunctional, and a church that is dysfunctional too. Anyhow, before I leave, I was on FB for 2 and a half years, and one of my friends, who I talked with frequently, just went viral with a city… Read more »
MC, I stand by my right to decide when to stop having children. I thank God for the ones He gave me.
And boy are you all over the place. No wonder you're able to write a book. I hope you have a good editor to keep it focused!
I saw that video of your friend earlier today. He did a good job.
Adiós!
Monte Cristo, you obviously feel strongly about some of theses issues, and that's your right! But you do need to remember that just because you say it is so, (or any of us say it is so) doesn't make it so.Our nation did NOT do just fine before birth control. A lot of women died very young because of having large families, and not just from childbirth. Men have a lot of responsibilities in raising children, but nothing compared to what women go through, or what it does to their bodies. Even Merie's group admitted that having children too close… Read more »
MC 9:00. I heard the story of you being led out of the May meeting. I’d have fun if they ever try to strong arm me out of one of there functions. So GP said he listen to you but did not. Wow flat out LIAR GP is. No surprise.
Monte Cristo- I’m happy for you that you had a wonderful childhood and you said you were taught many good things in the Stanton CoC.Let me ask you, aside from the sexual issues, what good can you name being brought up in the “church”. Aside from good people I cannot name anything good. My kids were scarred for life due to control issues. My grown kids are very judge mental- I wonder where they learned that?I was the one who entertained my kids because my husband was an absentee father due to church schedule, but overall there was nothing good… Read more »
Monte Cristo- I drew a timeline from the past 40 years of all the teachings that existed AND CHANGED and the adverse affects those teachings had on the members, and often my family personally. I did it to prove to my husband that God has been telling him to ‘escape’ for 40 years. By their fruits ye shall know them.
There were people under Hitler’s regime who believed he lowered the employment rate, and he benefitted my artists of the day. That doesn’t mean that Nazi rule was good for the people.
Donna, I would love to see that timeline! I think it would give us a lot to think about! Would you mind sharing it? Or giving it to Kevin to share?
Debbie Stevens- I will have to revise it to post here, as much of it is personal injustices imposed by the Stanton “churches”. I will see what I can do.
Donna I'm interested too. As for the personal ones, I wonder if others will find that similar things happened to them too. Just a thought.
I think that you all are focusing too much on the SCOC and the teachings of the present and past of it. Just a small word of advice; don't dwell on those things and don't put too much of your energy into it. Focus on making yourself a better christian and focus on becoming closer to God. Don't put effort into drawing a timeline from the past 40 years. What's that going to do for you? Focus on studying your bible and finding the truth. Not copying the history of wrong teachings.
Anon 8:59 kind of hard to do when they continue to rip families apart and separate them with their man made rules. I was one of them. People that do this need to be stopped if possible. I'd give most anything to see this happen
I think we need to continue to share ideas for those who still have family members inside the four walls of the cult. How do we live with them without destroying our families. MC got the blog way off track….perhaps now we will see and get the focus back on track. Of course, hopeful most of us are attending healthy churches and finding our way. And surrounding ourselves with family who love us and re building our relationships
Anons above: I see both points. I agree more with sharing ideas and keeping this blog going. It was the catalyst I needed to get out. How many more of us are there? I'm not just going to go about my days pretending I didn't participate and pretend like what's going on there is OK. Ripping apart loved ones is not ok.
M Long me either as I am still connected in a small way making sure my family stays far away from there. But after this blog who would ever even give the place one foot in the door Scary lol
MC, could we please wait until your book comes out to read your thoughts? or maybe you could start your own blog?
AnonymousApril 9, 2018 at 4:27 PM. Please don't advertise your ignorance for the world to see. Thank you!! Until you've read five biographies of America's Founders, you have no business talking about the church or politics. The impudence and impertinence of many on this thread is breathtaking and they don't even know what they don't know. AnonymousApril 9, 2018 at 10:58 AMLast I checked, the truth was never off topic to those who value it. It's always off topic to those who are living a lie. And your church is broke. The entire Christian church is broke, and it's mindless… Read more »
Whoa! Do you hate women MC?
My husband and I have discovered that if you read MC's comments out loud they are much more entertaining. Y'all should try it. (My hubby, imitating MC): "I have forgotten more than you'll ever know." hahaha… MC, you are actually proving our point. As one of 18 kids, the oldest at that, you seriously needed some attention from parents instead of books or babysitters in the SCOC. Balance in life is a good thing, called temperance in the Bible, and something both you and Merie Weiss do/did not have. Kevin, if you haven't read at least 5 books from the… Read more »
Kindly have your henpecked husband speak for himself. I'd be glad to debate him on any topic he prefers and have not the least doubt about the outcome. You haven't used a shred of factual, biblical, or historical evidence to uphold your nonsensical and heretical views of birth control, but yet bother yourself to come on here, and viciously attack the facts I have posted. And you have no shame. I didn't attack you, you are a busybody and came and attacked me. Like a scorner and a scoffer, you don't care what the truth is, you do as the… Read more »
Anon 8:59 on April 9th agree with some of what you say. However, do all possible to expose this cult for what they really are. Hopefully more members will begin to get educated about what they are really involved in. Here in the Portland/Vancouver area I’m looking towards shutting them down. They can take there evil elsewhere. Not in my town. People will become educated that they are a cult. Period.
Just to drop into a May Meeting and listen in on the hours spent on breaking of the bread should be enough for any member to see what one person's mind can think and then live their life by such a person's mind. It's pure craziness! I can't. I just can't! Ugh! I'd want an explanation from him in why that was even said and to explain it all. Really!
Pretty sure MC is schizophrenic/ has multiple personality disorder.
AnonApril 10, 2018 at 10:34 PM Sigmund Freud, is that you?Psychiatry is a total fraud, and anyone who believes in it, or the mind altering substances used to address it, is themselves mentally disturbed. Any psychiatrist reading Psalms or all of the Gospels would promptly label David and Christ as schizophrenic and as having multiple personality disorder. Liberalism is a mental illness, yet they swear everyone else is mentally ill. The above writer repeats the liberals delusional thinking. The astute reader can note that none of the facts or history I post can be refuted, instead opponents attack with a… Read more »
MC 2:18 your last sentence very funny and true. Anon 10:34 do you know MC? Great guy btw. One who has been miss treated by the cult. Unscriptural withdrawals, being marked and avoided by clowns when members and nonmember’s disagree with there foolish rules and man made doctrines. GP is a coward won’t face his critics. TC and KS as well.
Thank you Craig:).
Thank you Donna. Yes, I think my childhood in Stanton was very similar to that of the Founders or Lincoln. No hellivision, we were protected from most of the filth of the world, and no drugs, combined with lots of reading and outdoors, along with interaction with others often. I'm very happy about that, and am finishing up a memoir about it. I think it will sell quite well. If Michelle Obama can make $65 million from a book that is absolute nonsense, I think I can make at least $10 million from a book that has the roots of… Read more »
I know the world is so dysfunctional and they make the church out to be some wicked place. Well, the world is all dysfunctional. The mainline churches are a disgraceful wreck. 90% of them know their hellivisions more than their Bibles. The lukewarm Christians are the worst. They use words like "judgemental, Pharisees, legalistic, Proud, arrogant, and conceited" to talk about the Christians who actually do study the Bible and live lives guided by it. The atheists are going to heaven before the lukewarm Christians are. These lukewarm Christians are backstabbers too. You no sooner stand for some biblical topic… Read more »
I'm not attending anywhere. I've attended dozens of churches, but I'm sorry, I refuse to prostitute truth for unity. Other churches are very similar to our church. As soon as you start disagreeing with the leaders unscriptural views, you get loud teaching on pride and arrogance. No different from what happened to Martin Luther in the 1500's. Leaders never voluntarily give up power. "Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely" as Lord Acton said. Yes, there were quite a few teachings that changed over the last 40 years. My mother often tells me Merie was a good woman, and never… Read more »
I look at Stanton and then I look at society as a whole and Stanton looks like a perfect paradise. 110 million Americans have an STD, biblical illiteracy is at all time highs, we pay $700 billion a year for drug, alcohol, and tobacco issues, and only $600 billion a year for nation defense, meaning we pay more to destroy ourselves than we do to protect ourselves. 70 million Americans are on psychotropic drugs. Our schools are indoctrination centers. 80% of 11 year old boys are looking at porn. The rape rate has gone up at least 10 times since… Read more »
Our church isn't anything close to a cult. Jim Jones, the JW's, LDS, SDA, and David Koresh are cults. No one in our church today resembles Muhammad or Joseph Smith. So using the cult term is completely off base. Islam is a cult. When I hear people on hear whining about being hurt by Stanton, I have to laugh. Muhammad makes Stanton look like perfect angels. The man brutally murdered thousands, had 8 wives, and took a 9 year old as a wife. Islam has killed more in 1,400 years than any other culture in world history. It's clocking in… Read more »
Thank you Kevin! I'm looking forward to the NRA, and buying a few rifles and handguns. A disarmed population is a population that is easy to control. Germany, Russia, Cambodia, and China had 100 million slaughtered after they were disarmed. To AnonymousApril 3, 2018 at 6:45 PM. I'm not depressed. I feel like Churchill when bombs were dropping on London from Hitler and all seemed lost. It's long, but wisdom is never easy. I spent too much time on FB. Learned a lot. Talked with at least 25,000 people from all over American and learned a whole lot. I also… Read more »
The ten months that have passed have seen very terrible catastrophic events in the world–ups and downs, misfortunes– but can anyone sitting here this afternoon, this October afternoon, not feel deeply thankful for what has happened in the time that has passed and for the very great improvement in the position of our country and of our home? Why, when I was here last time we were quite alone, desperately alone, and we had been so for five or six months. We were poorly armed. We are not so poorly armed today; but then we were very poorly armed. We… Read more »
Another lesson I think we may take, just throwing our minds back to our meeting here ten months ago and now, is that appearances are often very deceptive, and as Kipling well says, we must "…meet with Triumph and Disaster. And treat those two impostors just the same." You cannot tell from appearances how things will go. Sometimes imagination makes things out far worse than they are; yet without imagination not much can be done. Those people who are imaginative see many more dangers than perhaps exist; certainly many more than will happen; but then they must also pray to… Read more »
As for M Long, no one can truly harm us but us. Other humans mistreatment of us cannot destroy any of us, unless we consent to be bitter. While I can denounce them, I still harbor love for them. I refuse to allow any man to make me hate him. "I shall allow no man to belittle my soul by making me hate him." Victor Frankl and Corrie Ten Boom had great books in "Man's search for Meaning" and "The hiding place" respectively, where both talked about how they learned to be content and grateful in Concentration camps under the… Read more »
Yes, M Long, I love the book about Monte Cristo. Edmund Dantes was an amazing figure. I'm not surprised you heard a lot about me. Since I was a child I listened intently to the news of the day about others transgressions. I didn't dream that one day they would listen about mine. I've heard from two reliable sources that churches in the South taught that I favored homosexuality and was teaching it was alright. That's totally false. I've never thought that at all, much less said it. Part of my frustration is that they say so much when I… Read more »
Starting to wonder if MC's book is being drafted right here…
A bit concerned about his cognitive thought process. The more Monte writes the more worried I become. I do agree with him that the Stanton church of Christ is not a cult though.
Thank you, what exactly bothers you about my cognitive thought process? It's the same cognitive thought process that led me to be excommunicated from Stanton on August 1st, 2012 at 7:00, and then buy a business for $650,000 a half hour later at 7:30, without a penny in the bank, a 400 credit score, and with my home and car on the verge of being foreclosed and repossessed, respectively. It's the same thought process that preceded my monthly income going from $2,000 a month, to $36,000 a month. It's the same thought process that led me to bad decisions, and… Read more »
While the prosperity gospel is really wrong, David, Solomon, Isaac, and Jacob would not have qualified for Section 8 and SNAP. No Christian should ever be going to the government for assistance. We had no welfare in America before 1912, and it encouraged self reliance. The rich and the churches helped the poor. Today, the Democrat party steals from all of us to give it to 42 million Americans on welfare. This Marxist wealth redistribution enables the Democrats evil of porn, abortion, contraception, homosexuality, and other evils to be slipped into our society, since the Democrats welfare is not without… Read more »
Monte Cristo, come on now the scoc fits the billing of a cult like a glove. Let’s not call the JW’s a cult if you can’t call Merie’s followers a cult. I’d like to hear your reasoning’s. Did you get my corresponding email? Here is mine again. craigcusick52@gmail.com. Take care, look forward to a conversation,
Agreed, Craig. Here's one definition of a cult : an unorthodox sect whose members distort the original doctrines of the religion.
All you have to do is find the blog post about all the rules they have that are unscriptural that so many commented on their experiences with added rules.
And typically a cult separates you from your family.
If the glove fits…
I need to ask forgiveness for bearing false witness. Earlier, I said one Stanton Evangelist said that eating a Big Mac in the building, if allowed would lead to homosexuality being allowed in the church. That was incorrect. The evangelists did not speak on this topic in 2006. Instead many members spoke out about how food should not be allowed in the building because "this is the way we've always done it". I kid you not. Rather, one evangelist said that breaking the unleavened bread more than once, as scripture indicates, could potentially lead to full blown sodomy in the… Read more »
MC 10:49 I remember the stupid discussion about how many times to break the bread was it the same evangelist/paid preacher who made the comment about leading to sodomy. SV guy? What an idiotic comment. But consider the source.
It was crazy, Craig. I remember thinking to myself when I heard it, is he serious??? They have all kinds of other issues in the church, and aren't growing at all, and we are here bothering about how many times to break the unleavened bread!! Unbelievable!! The very definition of the Pharisees. Stanton won't help the poor in the community, but darned if they don't need to figure out exactly how many times to break the unleavened bread!! Woe to the hypocrites!! To think breaking the unleavened bread five times can lead to homosexuality being accepted in the church is… Read more »
mc, are u saying they should help the poor in the community and use the treasury?
Yes!!! Before 1912 it was the rich people and the churches in the community helping the poor, NOT THE GOVERNMENT!! Stanton has some millionaires, and they don't give anything to the poor. They send them to go get welfare from the government. Funny how Stanton says we shouldn't get involved in politics, but THEY SEND THEIR MEMBERS TO THE GOVERNMENT TO GO TAKE OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY, WHICH IS WORSE THAN THE INFIDELS!! How is a woman supposed to respect a man when he's on welfare and proud of it, calling it a "blessing"? But Stanton views this as totally acceptable!!… Read more »
I know three women from the world who know more about being a Godly wife than many women in Stanton. The domineering woman who doesn't understand she was created to be a Helpmeet is an epidemic in America. She needs to be shown her place by Christian men, or Muslim men will conquer America, and then American women will be beaten for their foolishness.
https://thetransformedwife.com/
http://nogreaterjoy.org/blogs/createdtobehishelpmeet/
http://www.liesyoungwomenbelieve.com/?doing_wp_cron=1523392897.6356430053710937500000
Maybe i misinterpreted what you meant by "Stanton won't help the poor in the community". By community you mean members of the scoc in the community, not the common joe in the streets of a city, right
I specifically quit asking the church and it's members for help for these same reasons. Whenever you would ask for help with your electric bill it would turn into an inquisition from numerous members asking if you tried your family, friends, the state, etc. Then, after you answer the questions numerous times other ones would come up asking the same things. Also, if you and anybody who didn't think you should get the help you wouldn't get it. Aside from if you were abusing the treasury, there is nowhere in the scriptures that lays out any kind of prerequisite for… Read more »
I mean both. Primarily the members of Stanton, because the Church does help it's own first, but offering charity to those in need is a primary function of the church, and it isn't just those in your own church.
Stanton nearly bribes people. They tell them if you want help, you have to get baptized. I've seen people get baptized just to get food money and help with rent.
Yes, probably part of the reason why Stanton had such huge issues with teachers having so many problems with PRIDE!!! Christ washed his apostles feet, yet the teachers couldn't be bothered to help the truly poor of their own brethren. They'd send them over to the government. Pathetic! No wonder they can't convert the world.
Also, self reliance is important, but the church is supposed to help the poor, along with the rich in society, not the Gubmint.
It always made me furiously when they don't want anything to do with the WORDLY but yet can mooch and take their money as a blessing. If it's something they benefit from they can find reasoning for it. It made me sick. I had a husband who would work just long enough to get unemployment and didn't want to work and took all the freebies he could get. Even laughable workers comp. Such a real man. NOT! Using a so called excuse that he didn't want to work for anyone that makes money off of him being an employee for… Read more »
Furious! Oops
AnonymousApril 10, 2018 at 5:29 PM
That's sad, and I completely agree with you.
"It always made me furious when they don't want anything to do with the WORLDLY but yet can mooch and take their money as a blessing. If it's something they benefit from they can find reasoning for it".
Yes, amen!
"Using a so called excuse that he didn't want to work for anyone that makes money off of him being an employee for them."
Wow, total violation of the NT that tells people to work for their bosses like they work for God!!
I never understood why they never did any volunteering for the community, never voted yet had no shame getting anything for free they could get their hands on including food from F.I.S.H. And Food Stamps and Welfare and any scholarships,etc. in other words “takers” and not “givers”
Yes, from all I have personally seen it is indeed 'take' and then turn around and talk bad about the Worldies they take from. Off subject here but I remember one time at a fellowship, we were all outside and a worldly person said 'God Bless You' to us and that person was made fun of among the group. It disgusted me to no end! They constantly make fun of people. One of the reasons that made me leave, along with the constant 'gossip'!
Anon 8:46 agree 100% with your comment. That’s exactly how they operate. A young adult juggling on the side of the road a week or so ago for money. I thought look at that as he entertained me for a few minutes as I was in traffic. Of course Merie cult members at best may get him some food but never hand out money because of the possibility evil could be done with it. Is that not evil surmising? Well I gave him a couple bucks and felt good about it. No clue what he may do with it. Great… Read more »
I have heard it taught, in the church, that the welfare system was set up for the Christians.
In the heat or freezing snow and cold we would knock on doors. I can't tell you how many times we would find people in need of food and take food from our own pantries to take over to them. But we did learn through experience money was a different subject all together. Many times the poor would sell their food stamps for liquor then come to a church, any church, for money. They would come to non member classes with their utility bills. So I have to back the Stanton Churches of Christ for their judgments concerning giving out… Read more »
Lynn mm and Concerned, agree Lynn mm I heard the same foolishness as well. Really, welfare set up for Merie’s cult. Total coincidence. Time and chance for cult followers is all that was. Concerned I applaud those who did such a charitable deed for those outside of the cult who were in need. At least knocking on some doors helped someone in a positive way. Otherwise what a waste of time knocking on doors the lost teaching the lost. Or the lost teaching the saved. Either one works. Lol. Portland sure would never of done such a thing. Best scenario… Read more »
MC it sounds like you have the workings of a fiction novel. Just as Stanton believes they are the only ones that have salvation, you seem to be the only one on the planet with a very warped perception of the Stanton “churches”.
Powerful lesson today on equality. Proverbs 8 says by wisdom kings reign and in the book of ester you read how the enemies of the Jews had plotted to destroy them by royal decree and the king made a second decree allowing the Jews also to be armed; equality saved the Jews. In the book of Daniel you read of another royal decree that cast Daniel into a pit with lions but he lived then the same king cast Daniel's enemies into the same pit and they died; equality destroyed them. In Matthew 7(?) Christ gave a stern warning not… Read more »
I'll be addressing the three rebellious women who rebel against God's command to be fruitful and multiply at my leisure. It's not going to be fun, that I can tell you.
HAHAHAHAHA.
You really do need a good editor for that book, MC. After all, you may need to address this topic to all women in the world who have not MULTIPLIED AT YOUR LEISURE.
I assume you have multiplied with absolutely NO ONE. You're clearly not doing your part here. Let me know when you catch up to me.
Honestly, I'm not too concerned about your opinion of my book. I'd be shocked if you read twenty classics in your entire life. Your ideas are woefully ahistorical, and your scorning and scoffing is typical of the typical mindless drone American, who has no idea what is right or wrong, but makes a business of laughing at wisdom. In the absence of wisdom, you, just like Stanton, make a habit of informing yourself of the peccavi's of others and using it to rip them down. Just like the crab in a crab barrel. The bible and true Christians rip down… Read more »
MC that's assuming you are wise and spouting words of wisdom! A HUGE assumption on your part!
A huge HELLO to you Ronita! It's been years! Hope that all is well with you and your family! I have nothing but wonderful and fond memories of you! Love you and wish you well,
Ryan here is a perfect example of arrogance; he treats himself well but treats others badly. Ryan says you are unbiblical then quotes worldly references thus being unbiblical himself. Last time he posted of owning a million dollar business this time it is 650 thousand, his stories of being financially blessed by God are just lies he tells himself to achieve the feeling of superiority, I know I do the same things myself. Ryan is not a spiritual guide, just another big bag of wind, all talk and no good works. I will pray for Ryan that God teach him… Read more »
AnonymousApril 10, 2018 at 5:22 AM You have poor reading comprehension. You missed the allusion to you lukewarm Christian snakes, who are fond of using the term "proud", "Arrogant", "conceited", "Pharisee", "judgemental", and "Legalistic". You are the WORST!!! You are headed to hell faster than the Muslims and Atheists. And I love how you are anonymous, but you use others names. Typical Coward. I'd like for you to explain to me what is wrong with using biblical sources and historical sources? Unless you are ignorant, you shouldn't have a problem with it. You have a library down the street. Use… Read more »
What position of superiority do all of us who are arrogant seek for? We seek the position where we do the thinking for others, this could be teacher, preacher, author, talk show host, drill instructor, etc. We arrogant avoid positions which require manual labor as work is beneath us. The pharissees held such an exalted position in jewish society but Jesus taught that servant leadership is the path to heaven and destroyed the fantasy world of the arrogant pharissees, in which everybody else worked and served them. Forsake arrogance and treat others as equals as Christ did.
MC- You have far greater knowledge of history than I do, but last time I checked, being a Christian does NOT require being a historian. MC you are quite the conundrum! You mention the wrongs done by Stanton, then say it was a paradise to grow up in that 'church. Matthew 17:15-20 tell us that by their fruits ye shall know them. The founder's withdraw can disappear- but yours will be upheld until the day you die,(just or unjust) separating you from your family. I doubt your WD was scriptural MC, and I don't believe you have to continue to… Read more »
Thank you Donna, and there is nothing about history that anyone can't learn for free in the library. That people are mad at me for learning history is just their own laziness and pride. It's not my issue. I didn't attack anyone on here, but people started swarming me like hornets for daring to state historical and biblical truths that everyone accepted just a century ago. Sad so many are brainwashed. God said "My people are destroyed for a lack of knowledge". We all know it's easy to control those who know a little, and hard to control those who… Read more »
MC please explain your post 4/9/18 @ 10:51 three rebellious women who should be fruitful and multiy at your leisure.
AnonymousApril 10, 2018 at 5:09 PM
Please explain why you are lazily asking me to explain what you refuse to research yourself?
Birth control was illegal in America in 1964.
If you read "Sexual Sabotage" you can figure out the history.
I don't brook impudent impertinence.
Strange answer to say the least. Your false accusations destroy any credibility you have. Your posts are non sequitur that is their is no clear line of reasoning. M Long question your post on 4/9/18 @ 10:51 and you response was to insult her intelligence, twenty classics read? Worldly wisdom is foolishness compared to God's word; I question the same post any you falsely accuse me of being lazy. Your only response is to insult others, you lift yourself up by cutting others down, you have the spirit of a pharisse and not the spirit of a wise man. I… Read more »
Anon 9:25 mark and avoid is withdrawal. Doesn’t matter what the bully wants to call it. Just as other of Merie’s doctrines that they continue to add on to what is already written. Hopefully MC as I do not and will not honor any of there unscriptural withdrawals. Matter of fact if anyone should be withdrawn from it should be the two paid preachers TC in the South and the SV guy GP. Add the main lady teacher KS in that mix too. Leaders of Meries cult should be shown the door and the cult shut down.
AnonymousApril 10, 2018 at 9:25 PM Let's be clear. You are fond of calling others proud and I've read pages of your allegations of pride in Phoenix. Yet, you have not one single fact, historical evidence, or biblical proof that anything I said was in error, yet you arrogantly hop on here, and call me arrogant. It's astounding the lack of self introspection you have. Notice, I didn't attack you, you came and attacked me. But it's really hard to tell the truth without those, like you, who hate the idea that the truth might exist outside your existing knowledge… Read more »
Thank you Craig, I'll not be honoring their unscriptural withdrawals or excommunications at all. Just Saturday I went to go paintballing with family and friends, and a member of Stanton, a young man raised in the church, came along. I was first warned not to talk to him. Imagine, I have to be warned not to talk to people to honor a ridiculous and absurd judgement. I had no problem with it. Kept my distance, had a fun day, though it admittedly isn't easy constantly facing Stanton's constant efforts to suppress those who dare to disagree with it. God is… Read more »
You’re welcome MC. I simply laugh off at there foolishness. A month or so ago as I was picking up some groceries after worship I bumped into a few Merie cult members. There newest member the hypocrite preachers son came over to me all excited and began talking and shook my hand. Another member who I was close too and who I had hired numerous times to do work on my vehicles over the years snubbed me. I made sure I got his attention with a hello. He muttered under his breath hello back. After telling my wife also a… Read more »
The welfare system being set up for them is the only thing they can find for an excuse for them taking from the worldly in order to use something that benefits them.
Anon 3:46 very true. Also funny hearing at least one of the women who used the system in Portland complain now that she has to work into her 60’s and probably 70’s. Hey, but she was able to stay home with her kids and attend all the classes and do the PW while others paid her way. I’ll call that abusing the world not just using it. I know of others who abused it as well. Names?
Craig, Oh I'd love to be spouting off names in here. Why not. They do it in THEIR group. Lol. my X husband is now paying for using all systems out there the best he could in his working/younger years in order to not have to work for someone. He wanted to be his own boss or nothing. Well now he's paying for it in his older years. I should be feeling sorry for him but I can't feel sorry for someone that is still in the church and knows what goes on in there, as he does, more so… Read more »
Anon 6:02 I agree. There are a lot of self employed members who will not have a retirement. I’d hear don’t worry about it God will provide. Much easier to keep the cult schedule being self employed. Does anyone know if the two paid preachers TC and GP support is taxable. I remember hearing when GP taxes were do as Portland would pay part of it he would instruct to write it out to ? drawing a blank on the rest of what he would instruct. Btw GP how much is your support? Lol
God expects us to work and take care of our families and provide for their needs. These lazy people who many times tell lies to get Welfare and other benefits are also telling themselves lies. They are being deceitful among many other things. Oh how weird and dysfunctional. If only I had known this while still working for the State I would gladly have been a whistle blower. Anything to put an end to all the fraud.
I might add private citizens can also be whistleblowers.
Even if they have to prove they apply for jobs to stay on benefits, I know alot make their applications so they don't get hired. Hopefully that game is going to end soon.
Jo some members do work hard and provide for their families but lack job skills to earn enough and are truly in need of welfare. I have seen however members who were self employed who worked a little and received welfare and fed off of their fellow church members. Breadseekers, or freeloaders are in every religion and every area of life. Some of the free services were free use of others vehicles and return the empty on gas, free house repair, free car repair, when you have willing and sincere people you will find a freeloading wolf. It is the… Read more »
I know one man who worked five days a week plus overtime when he could and went to all the “required” fellowships and church services,bible studies and personal work and still helped his mother after his dad passed away unexpectedly and that is my son. You may know him. I worked for the state nearly 50 years and we were very aware of the game players. However, many were not and each person that came to my desk were treated with respect. It got very difficult, however, when we knew they were leading a double life or living off welfare… Read more »
Yes they teach that God allows those benefits for the members there.If you get in the group and you're young, you're really going to struggle later. They keep you too busy to go to school. You might have your regular job that pays basics. Any time left over is for classes, fellowships, babysitting, personal work, etc. So you can't go get an education because you're too busy. you may not even have time for some sort of certification. And while many classes in college can be useless, you still need degrees for a lot of jobs, such as accounting or… Read more »
You are right I have seen this thinking with personal experience with my grandchildren and their friends. I do not want to see them struggle the rest of their lives. Are you in this cult or out of it? I think every person in this cult should read this blog and maybe gradually their eyes will open. Difficult when their good friends are still in and life is fun right now.
Well said, I completely agree with Jo, and AnonApril 13, 2018 at 12:25 AM. Meanwhile, our government is requiring people to love homosexual sex to be appointed for public office, and Stanton is off beneath a rock somewhere. https://www.dailywire.com/news/29410/do-you-believe-gay-sex-perversion-according-ben-shapiroI just was escorted by police out of a meeting for criticizing homosexuals. It's at the 33:30 mark. http://vallejo.granicus.com/MediaPlayer.php?view_id=3&clip_id=2098 Even the liberal Washington Compost knows that's a violation of free speech. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2017/06/19/supreme-court-unanimously-reaffirms-there-is-no-hate-speech-exception-to-the-first-amendment/?utm_term=.0e6c97c630c3 William Brennan, a notorious leftist SCOTUS justice, said this, "“If there is a bedrock principle underlying the First Amendment, it is that the government may not prohibit the expression of… Read more »
Jo 10:38 I had heard about this blog in 2013. It was talked about in a class and of course talked bad about. The paid preacher from SV challenged members to read this blog and after they did to let him know. Reason so he would withdraw from anyone who took him up on his dare. You know me well. I fear no one. However, out of respect I chose not to read it until I realized and confirmed I was not a member. Thank goodness. But I was curious why the SV guy challenged members to read it and… Read more »
Craig, I so agree. You can't tell me income doesn't cross their mind with the loss of members. With the way they think you 'know' they are reading this. Minds that gossip like this and want to keep so much control can't stay away from this type of thing and they would want to be prepared to answer a question also. We all know they avoid that for the most though. I see PP updated her profile pic so I'm sure she has a mission if she is on Facebook when I was told the "whole church decided no Facebook".… Read more »
So what is the weekly contributions of COC members. Is it still $60 a week like my ex-wife (commited Cult member gave each week. I've got lots if checks written out of our joint account to the COC.. I was never a member of this cult, yet they fed off my income for decades by brain wshing my ex into their perverted desires. So now that she no longer has access to my income that payment to the cult has been greatly reduced. When enough members leave the cult will collapse. So many will be left to wnder What was… Read more »
Anon 5:07 Hmm I tried to look Paula up on FB couldn’t find her. I was going to send her a friend request. To bad her profile picture couldn’t be shown here on this blog. Yes they are hypocrites do as I say not as I do. Preacher MM here in Portland is one as well. Owns a business so FB was okay for him though he showed my wife and I something about it one day and he was at least friends with his oldest son. Just one example of MM hypocrisy. So many stories I could tell that… Read more »
I just found Paula on FB. Hypocrite!! Plus she’s not very friendly as her page won’t allow me to friend her. Lol
Craig, ever since this was mentioned on here she has gotten many views to that family video that was mentioned, so there are alot of people reading this blog. It sickens me they control members and they can make excuses for why they can be on. It's to spy of course!
Anon 2:14 that’s awesome. Keep spreading the word about the blog. I’m doing my part. Need to put it into the ears of members here in Portland. Most members are great people just being led astray by the sickening leaders of the cult. The control which is also oppression is part of the sickening practices of Merie’s cult. Oops I mentioned Paula’s name in my two previous comments. Sorry about that Paula. I meant PP. Lol.
Love it. She deleted her FB now or deactivated her account now that we have talked about it so much. Or maybe put a few of us on her block list. Yep, they will always watch this blog. I'm laughing here out loud lol
Good work! We know there are spies on here…..so funny when you really think about it. There are lots of ways to spy on them but who wants to waste our time. I would rather study God’s words and be in fellowship of people who really are Christians so we can grow…
MC. I watched that video and I applaud you for standing up and saying what you did.
I am not on FB but my daughter is and FB tells her who has viewed her page. My daughter asked me if I knew a man who had viewed her page and the profile and picture was the preacher from Albuquerque but when we tried to pull his profile up FB said that it had been deleted which means he created a profile did some searching then deleted his profile so he could not be searched, sneaky to say the least. The last time I saw the preacher from Albuquerque was 2002, a full 16 years ago. Does he… Read more »
One of the consistent false accusations from one certain grandmother who did church babysitting was that the children were unclean. I could not see any sexualized behavior in the children in the SCOC and did not understand what she was talking about but the grandmother babysitter was consistent in her accusation that the problem with the children was that they were being unclean. Today I am a grandfather and now understand what was the basis for her false accusations against children. It is much easier to say that children are unclean than to spend the time with them and give… Read more »
FB does not tell you who viewed your page. If so explain how?
Yup I was able to see PPs profile just a few days ago. It was up too last year when we had a similar discussion. I guess it was finally noticed that we were talking about it. Just goes to show they really are monitoring this blog. I suppose it's easier to get off FB than it is to stop telling people they shouldn't socialize online.
Yup I was able to see PPs profile just a few days ago. It was up too last year when we had a similar discussion. I guess it was finally noticed that we were talking about it. Just goes to show they really are monitoring this blog. I suppose it's easier to get off FB than it is to stop telling people they shouldn't socialize online.
FB shows my daughter everyone who has viewed he page. I don't know the technical specifics of how but will find out for you.
No.. It doesn't show you who viewed your FB. There are apps for that and those do not even work. IF you have a video clip or a post posted a certain way it will show you who viewed it and everyone else can see that too along with you. I've been on Facebook since the beginning. Business pages run a bit differently though. I'd like to know what she is seeing also
I asked my daughter about FB this morning and she said what she showed me was the people who had made a friend request and FB suggestions of mutual friends. I misunderstood what she had showed me, I thought it was the people who had viewed her page, my wrong I apologize for the mistake. I was concerned that the threatening preacher was trying to stalk me but my fear was apparently unfounded. I am arrogant but not so arrogant that I can't admit when I am wrong.
Thank you Lynn.
Update, a homosexual lawyer just called me today, and said he was a proponent of the First Amendment, and wanted to defend me and take my case. Crazy!
Good for you anon. I doubt you are arrogant either. Have a great day!
For the Christians who don't know their Bibles or history and constantly want to chirp about others arrogance and pride, just like Stanton, it would be good to learn about Eliab.
"And Eliab his eldest brother heard when he spake unto the men; and Eliab's anger was kindled against David, and he said, Why camest thou down hither? and with whom hast thou left those few sheep in the wilderness? I know thy pride, and the naughtiness of thine heart; for thou art come down that thou mightest see the battle."
I agree about the history. When studying out the book of Daniel there were actually two Abomination of Desolations. One during the silent years and the other after ascension. There is a reason why Paul said, "to the Greeks, foolishness", as Corinth was under Greek control at the time and Greeks prided themselves on their study and knowledge of science, Math, and astrology. In Matthew when it is taught, "it is a gift", is it referring to when the Pharisees taught people how not to help their parents in dedicating their possessions to the temple as a gift and getting… Read more »
Craig my experience with mark and avoid was different. While I was in withdrawal from 1999-2001 I had to go to a heavy truck dealership where one of the Christians worked as a partsman. The Christian was very loudly and angrily complaining that the mechanics were not giving him the repair order numbers to charge the parts against, when he went into the partsroom to get parts I told him to "quit complaining" and he came right back out angrily questioning who said that. For this on the job behavior I was threatened with being marked and avoided on top… Read more »
Soft hearted or hard hearted you tell me. In Luke 16:19-31 we read of a rich man that was so callous, so compassionateless, so inhumane that he would not allow a beggar to feed himself off of the crumbs that fell to the floor. We read a similar story about Christ and a Caananite woman in Matthew 15:21-28 Who asked for help with her daughter and at first Christ refused calling her a dog but she said even dogs feed off of the crumbs and Christ showed her compassion, mercy and healed her daughter, he was soft hearted. Does the… Read more »
One of the powerful yet subtle psychological tools of the SCOC is discouragement. Through constant criticism of anything and everything a member did or said discouragement was achieved in the members mind. Discouragement can come from a feeling of being overwhelmed. In my time in the SCOC God was always portrayed as being angry with man. Every disaster, natural or man made was cited as evidence of God being dissatisfied with wicked man. Having a world view of doom and gloom lead to being discouraged, which leads to a feeling of loss of control and feelings of helplessness and hopelessness.… Read more »
Anon 228…very insightful. I never saw that the discouragement was due to the typical doom and gloom teachings especially at every nonmember class. I actually saw those as uplifting. But I can see that while I may have felt special that I was in "the one true church", long term all that constant teaching was discouraging. That discouragement is what prompted so many questions on my part about it being the place for me. I think about how often members there were discouraged. It was often a topic in sharing.Did anyone else here notice the topic of discouragement at a… Read more »
One of my great concerns with the members who attended my SCOC was with aggressive behavior. You must understand that several members had felony behavior some were convicted some were not. One man who preached had a conviction from courts martial for a violent assault upon a fellow army soldier. Another was convicted of felony assault and served time in prison for it, another had neither been arrested nor convicted but was told not to say anything about his criminal past as it was before his baptism. Another was a convicted sex offenders on parole and the fifth was a… Read more »
Does breaking the bread at the Lord's supper really lead to sodomy? No but he did touch upon a truth and then miss applied it. From tiny acorns do mighty oaks grow a study of slothgulness reveals this. In the military the commanders noticed something way back in WWI and that was when their men were allowed to be idle no amount of food would satisfy them. The tiny acorn was idle time which lead to laziness which leads to extreme laziness (slothfulness) When the men were allowed to be idle the got bored and to relieve boredom they started… Read more »
What is your definition of uncleanness? Anon 12:59 Apr. 19
In Ezekiel 24:13-Unclean through lewdness; ( Also, The Biblical definition is more important than a secular definition because God’s standard is higher than that of man and uncleanness is deemed to be something or someone that is not clean, foul, dirty, filthy or detestable before God. This can include adultery (in reality or in the heart) as well as “sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these” (Gal 5:19-21a) and which Paul wrote “I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit… Read more »
I never have heard of a church so hung up on masturbation or sexual lewedness in my life! Sick!
Anon 7:18 funny as well they’ve had many men fall to pornography though they teach against all the sexual lewdness etc. Portland has had issues. Preachers in other congregations as well. Hypocrites. They kept the TV’s out of homes but allowed the computer/internet into them. Brilliant move idiots. So called leaders ha ha. Though it’s not the TV, computer/internet that’s the problem. It’s what being put on them. Holy Spirit dwelling within these so called leaders? No
Anon 4/19 @ 7:18 if you never heard of a church having to deal with sexual lewdness then you have never heard of the Catholic church, or David Berg and his group the children of God, or Jim jones and his group the peoples temple, come on now religion and sexual perversion go hand in hand, as does any organization that grants absolute authority to its leader. Being raised Catholic I saw several priests defrocked for being arrested for sexual crimes, such as solicitation, child molestation, public lewdness. Every organization that fails to monitor its leaders suffers corruption. In the… Read more »
They're going to keep having issues with porn and such like because they don't leave it to parents to deal with. Instead they speak about it unfettered in front of the kids so of course it causes them to eventually be curious. Idiots!
Gluttony is a sin was mentioned above. Everyone in the SCOC is doomed then. All those gluttonous fellowships!
I agree with you 10:41. And I have seen body shaming within the church as well as frozen feelings. So sad!
It is a carnal church and one has to wonder with the governoring board meeting next month what new carnal rule will be imposed upon its members? What scripture will be pulled out of the old testament and mandated that Christians have to follow? In the past some rules were that members were not to get more than four hours of sleep a night and they were to call each other and make sure, or women could not wear pants with zippers in the front, or women have to wear stockings. Will the new carnal rules be with men shaving… Read more »
This all disgusts me.. Minds of the not so normal making up rules they eventually changed.. Proof right there of the warped minds that people are to follow.. Lol.. Unreal
AnonymousApril 19, 2018 at 9:29 PM Bryan Tracy's book "No Excuses" is great. Porn is the number one threat to the church and America. It's not just Stanton that's grappling with it. 80% of 11 year olds are looking at it on their phones. If kids get into drugs and porn, we are sunk as a nation, so it's extremely important to fight this now. The day is coming when we can't fight it. http://www.wnd.com/2018/04/join-the-sex-ed-sit-out/ http://www.wnd.com/2018/04/schools-in-43-states-blasted-for-porn-curriculum/ Stanton was right about masturbation and porn being dangerous, but wrong about how to go about it. Their method of cutting people off from… Read more »
God chastises to make chaste. Stanton chastises to destroy. And as we do to others, so God does to us, and they wonder why God opposes them. They aren't growing and never will. They keep having big families, and they have less than a 10% retention rate for the kids raised in the church, and their conversion rate for knocking on doors is absolutely horrible. But, they take this as a sign that only a few go to heaven. They make a virtue of their ineptitude. Only a few do go to heaven, Stanton, but your horrible growth over the… Read more »
Anon 2:07 agree and it all started with a warped mind of a legitimate withdrawn from member named Merie Weiss. This all should disgust a normal person. The more followers of this cult who reads this blog will leave. Come on GP give your members the green light (green light since they can’t do so without your permission lol) to read this blog. If you have the truth what’s there to fear GP. Be a man. Let your members think for themselves. Your way GP is a DEAD END. BTW how much is your support?
MC 4:25 Brilliant. Couldn’t agree with you more.
Agreed, Craig. I think Merie had many wonderful teachings, and I doubt many of the kids in the church would have been born without her insistence that women not practice birth control, which is totally scriptural. That said, it wasn't the woman's place to lead. Her leadership, and woman trying to be leaders in America is badly handicapping the nation. Women ARE NOT FIT TO LEAD THE MAN!! They were created to be helpmeets, not leaders. 70% of single women vote Democrat, and the majority of married women do too. Our first serious female Presidential candidate was the MOST CORRUPT… Read more »
They are cruel, draconian, spiteful, domineering and brawling. And the church is going nowhere with them calling the shots, and the men sitting supinely and spinelessly doing nothing. A bunch of pantywaists and pusillanimous and henpecked men is what we have. Makes me wish Muhammad was in Stanton. He'd fix the problem real quick. And when a man is constantly around brawling women, no wonder they turn to porn. It's a sin and evil, but when their wives are constantly nagging, and refuse to respect their husbands, men are driven to the lying sirens of the sex industry, who promise… Read more »
And I've held back from attacking GP, but no more. While I'm grateful for the good things he taught and stood for, a little fly in the ointment of the apothecary spoils it, and his actions are like a rat being in the ointment. How in the world are you going to refuse to hear the appeals of members who were wronged in your church, GP? As you deny justice to God's creation, so shall God deny you justice on the final day, unless you repent. And how much do you make, GP? Exactly where were you traveling to that… Read more »
GP and TC had the opportunity to correct wrongs and they both were silent. The voice of the oppressed cries out, and God will bring justice and it won't be pretty. God will deliver those oppressed by Stanton's nonsense doctrines, because at the very moment when America needs biblical Christianity, Stanton is out perverting it. Stanton can't be bothered to get involved in politics, but darned if they can't spend 4 hours discussing whether a burger in the building is permissible. WHAT A WASTE OF TIME!! Shame on the teachers!! Truly did Christ say of them, straining at gnats and… Read more »
MC. Wow, awesome, loving it. Yes GP does need to take responsibility for the failures within the cult. Well it’s a cult so there doomed to fail anyways. Love to be at the May meeting this year. BTW where’s it at? MC we should attend. Oh the fun it would be. Lol. Also does anyone know of any new congregations that have started since last May meeting?
One of the basic thinking flaws is to concentrate or highlight a problem rather than a solution. Every leader was adept at spotting behavioral problems but few had any solutions to the sins that plague man. Pemmisists focus on problems optimists focus on solutions.
Anon 6:41 great point. Here’s how it works. Your child miss behaves, spank them. Same would apply with members just a different form of punishment. Study it out would be another answer given when you had a problem. Funny preacher man would be trying to guide you through issues when he is not equipped to and he has more than enough issues of his own. Always could spot issues with others children but was blind in seeing issues with his own or at least don’t bring it to his attention. A teacher was soon sat down after identifying issues in… Read more »
One solution for me in restraining myself is to look at how Christ restrained himself. Proverbs 23 instructs that when thou sit with a ruler put a knife to the throat if thou be a man given to appetite and you see this with Christ and Satan in Luke 4 Satan being a ruler of the dark realm and Christ having fasted forty days would be a man given to appetite and Christ restrained his flesh not with a physical knife but a spiritual knife; actually a sword which was the words of God. If you have a large appetite… Read more »
Uncleanness I define as sexual self stimulation as can take several forms such as rubbing, fondling, masturbation. What is your understanding of uncleaness anon 4/19 @12:/59?
Sad day at work today. In the parking lot was three sheriff cars around a new car that I had not seen before. The well dressed man, 28 years old was found dead with a heroin needle still in his arm. It is a grim reminder of what happens when a person lives in the unrestrained lifestyle. In the drug world the last drug a person will try is heroin, not only does it give the greatest high it produces a physical dependency as well which will kill the user if they ever stop without professional medical help. When you… Read more »
I don’t read very much about love and forgiveness in your church/cult. Think about how David was forgiven and that should encourage anyone who has sinned to repent so they can be forgiven and get their lives right with God. Psalm 32 is a good read for everyone.
AnonymousApril 23, 2018 at 7:37 PM Sad about the drug use. It's an epidemic in America today. 70 million Americans are on psychotropic drugs, conservatively. And I never used them. Some learn from experience, the wise learn from other's experience. http://www.wnd.com/2014/02/70-million-americans-taking-mind-altering-drugs/ Never knew that about Carradine. Porn and drugs are the two biggest threats to America, never mind what anyone says. https://www.christianpost.com/news/internet-the-greatest-threat-to-christians-apologist-josh-mcdowell-says-52382/ And let's just be honest about it. Every man over twenty reading this has seen porn. That's how bad the problem is. The question is not who hasn't dealt with it, it's who is going to do something… Read more »
Anon 7:37 typical Merie cult follower ding dong of a comment. Thinking you know something when you know nothing. Maybe you’re not a cult follower but sure was a stupid comment concerning my comments that Portland has had issues with pornography means I have a problem with pornography. Do you know me clown? You’re wrong and I’ll repeat PORTLAND HAS HAD ISSUES WITH PORNOGRAPHY. BTW I am being careful with my comments everything I comment on is truth and facts. Ask the hypocrite preacher in Portland MM. He is a known liar so not sure what answer you’d get. However,… Read more »
Craig don't get so upset. Anon 737 obviously has sex issues, much like many in the cult. Who knows things like "Can uncleaness kill? Yes in an act called auto erotica strangulation which killed actor David Carradine from the TV show king fu."??? Only someone looking into all that.
It would be nice if all of you got off the sex topics. It's starting to feel like a cult class around here.
Yes I agree. Too much sex! Let’s get back to questions and statements and solutions. Why not pick a scripture and have a discussion how it applies to one another and how we can help one another.
Good idea! I have a question. Why is it the members do not read anything except their Bibles? Why not some teaching Christian books or Bible Study workbooks or do they?
One topic that needs to be discussed is the relationship between love and sin. As sin increases love decreases proportionally and as sin is repented of love grows proportionally, sin and love have an inverse and proportional relationship. In paying attention to human bahavior one can determine the amount of sin by the lack of love shown to fellow Christians or the amount of righteousness by the amount of love shown, John 13:34-35 teaches that by the love you have one for another all men will know that you are my disciples. If a Christian has little love for others… Read more »
Jo pretty much the only thing they study is the Bible and their notes from talks as well as old cassettes and mp3s from only preachers in Merie's church. They treat those as if they were as important as the dead sea scrolls. Anon 7:08, good point. I have a question for those of you who left: When you were in, or raised there, what things did you think were unique to Merie's church that you thought no other church did? For example, I just saw a video where hospital workers helped to get a patient get baptized. I never… Read more »
What I saw was recruitment through criticism of other religious groups. I felt special because I believed in my own superiority and the superiority of the Merie group, but did not realize that I had little knowledge or faith in Jesus Christ. When I started looking at the abusive behaviors of the Merie group I realized they were not much different than the abusive Catholic church I came out of. When you start criticizing other you are exalting yourself and others will see you as a leader and follow you. I see leadership through criticism in other groups both religious… Read more »
Not looking for lust that kills but drawing from personal experience. When I was in the military, 1985, we were all are at morning quarters looking at the sheriff's car outside and wondering why local law enforcement was on the military base and it was a death investigation of a young man who had accidently killed himself with auto erotica strangulation. It was explained to us what had happened and the lie he was told that led to his death. There are several jobs that seem great but in practice are horrible, like paramedic. I grew up watching a TV… Read more »
Hi M.Long, I have been to a very many Churches of Christ and found at least one element in each that I could tie to the Stanton churches. But I have not found to this day all of the elements in one church. the mainline churches of Christ are greatly lacking.
What are they for example?
Yes, Concerned, as Wilbur said to Orville, you are Wright! Not only are mainline Churches of Christ lacking but all Christian churches are severely lacking in biblical literacy. Since they are nearly all practicing birth control, they are dying off. They aren't replacing themselves even, and aren't growing at all. China and Africa have more dynamic Christian churches. The Bible is God's love letter to mankind, and our prayers are our love letters to him. It's impossible to love what we don't know. If there were a marriage where the spouses rarely talked, it would fall apart real quick. Yet,… Read more »
Anon- Yes, the churches of Christ are lacking! I thank God for this. They lack legalism that plagues Stanton. They lack mandatory attendance at all functions. They lack getting into things that are none of their business. I thank God for the church God lead me to as it has helped me heal from PSTD: Post Traumatic Stanton Disorder.
Anon yes when viewed from the cult's eyes they are lacking. Donna, great points. Concerned, yes I think we are in various stages of that. I only know the experience from 2 COCs plus the cult, Merie's church. In my first COC, I DID like it but then the preacher retired and no one seemed to be preaching as well. Then my ex found SA members from Merie's church n he went back and I was eventually rebaptized there (which was a waste because I believed all the things I confessed to in my first baptism anyway). When I started… Read more »
Donna BennumApril 26, 2018 at 7:07 PM I prefer legalism to lukewammness. The Pharisees were better off than the lukewarm churches, that God spits out. Our lives were supposed to revolve around the church, not God revolving around our lives. Never mind Stanton, the churches were much more biblical in the days of the Puritans. The church is a wreck today, and we still have Christians who hate BIBLICAL discipline. Not talking about unbliblical discipline, which Stanton has. PTSD is a myth. Psychiatry is totally bogus, but Americans love it because it gives them a crutch for their own bad… Read more »
M. Long, well said! That was one of the most difficult things for me when I left Merie's Group-realizing that we do indeed have God given liberties. Paul even talked about that in the book of Galatians! What Merie's group does is to take away the liberties that we have, including exercising our own consciences and learning from our mistakes. They take away from Christians having their own relationship with God and Christ, and replace it with the leaders being the mediators.I saw it with even the relationships that spouses had with each other, and the children with their parents.… Read more »
Craig's comments on 4/24 disturb me. How would he know Portland had problems with pornography unless he was talking about himself? Now he reveals that he was privy to confidential information which only one in leadership would have. Dies Craig maintain the required respect of others and handle information with discretion? Nope he uses information about others weakness to exalt himself as some kind of spiritual leader, he is puffed up with pride. If you see someone in the pit of addiction would not compassion tell you to stop and help that person out? Craig chooses to step on those… Read more »
Just for the record you don’t know what you are talking about anon 3:40.
Anon 3:40 you’re funny and have no clue what you’re talking about. Did you read the comment I was replying too? Ask MM or my wife if I had that problem. Only was brought up to make a point. Yes privy to information I should not of been, exactly this is a known fact MM tells others about confidential information that he shouldn’t. Not about exalting myself it’s about exposing Merie’s cult. I’m no spiritual leader nor do I want to be one. Puffed up with pride, sure at times just like you making this comment about me Anonymous. Step… Read more »
I wondered myself how long it would take for people to tell lies about you since you are so upfront using your name and email. Same with MLong. Someone will come after her too if not already. Nothing to be concerned about all nonsense.
Wow! This is an interesting thread.
Hello Ronita!
Good to see a familiar face. A friend from 16 years ago sends his best regards to your and your children.
How does your revealing of secrets further the cause of Christ, which is the salvation of men's souls? Let's think with equality and ask what is being said about the blog in the Merie group to its members. Would they be saying see Craig was a trusted confidant and he leaves the church and now is making the men's life unbearable revealing your secrets and now your wives and children are wondering if you have an addiction, don't leave us or you will become a talebearer like Craig. If you see a person with a problem why do you not… Read more »
Anon 9:11 derogatory comments? Where? I have said no ones name. Points were simply being made. Do you understand what the cult leaders have done to this nonmember? They unscriptually withdrew from me. Which effects my family. Do you care for the well being of families anon 9:11? I thought idiots, stupid and clowns was being kind. Lies were being said about me in the comment I was commenting on. I have said no lies. Nothing but facts and truths. I’d love to see this cult in the court of law to clear my name of any affiliation with them.… Read more »
Anon 9:11 to add. I do agree about the name calling as being wrong. I have revealed nobody’s secrets. However, you want to hear secrets being revealed just listen to the talk after someone fall’s away. I know in Portland secrets would be revealed. Fact and truth.
Anon 9:11, I don't believe that Craig has said anyone's name except for the evangelist n local preacher's initials. Which are already on here anyway. He has a right and should say what he was privy to without names. It's good, for those who might run into this blog, for them to know that in most cases your secrets are not kept. They are told to spouses, other counsel, evangelists, and even kids read their parent's texts so nothing is sacred in your personal life. It's no secret that Merie set up her church so that none of its members… Read more »
I watched another documentary last night about a cult. So similar to this church/cult. Isolation even from family, no sports,college,social media while they also had leaders who could participate in all of the above and more. Such a shame how the children are exposed to this way of life. Yes I agree it is trauma and PTSD. Everyone is different and some will be more affected than others. Hopefully because of this experience they will not turn away from God.
I have studied many books and videos about different cults how they are formed, how they grow, how they collapse and I find one or two things in common with the SCOC and each cult but not much more. Each cult group has similar recruitment tactics such as love bombing, and similar enslavement tactics such as no friendships are allowed with outsiders or family members who are non members, and the dissolving of marriages at the leaders whim, and most collapse as when apostates band together to speak out about the abuses suffered under the cult group. After the collapse… Read more »
Based on this site's definition of a cult, Jesus Christ was a cult. He told people to cut off relationships with non Christians, and even separated family members. It would be wise to stop evaluating Stanton through nonsensical secular lenses, and start counteracting them via scripture. The greatest threat to the church today isn't communists, atheists, Muslims, or homosexuals, it's Christians. They are helping to slaughter the next generation, stupidly thinking that abortion and contraception, along with sex outside of marriage, including porn and masturbation, is the responsible thing to do. They've been brainwashed by dimwit academics to think humans… Read more »
My goodness your way of thinking is so extreme. Are you married with children? It is scary to think about how this teaching is going on in this day and age. Keep the women dumbed down and barefoot and pregnant? And who supports all these children? The father who by the way is at church on Sunday,Tuesday and Thursdays and Personal Work on Mondays and Wednesday’s and Fellowships on Fridays so this way they have no time to be with anyone else outside of the church because on Saturdays helping other church members out. I agree there are a few… Read more »
And I forgot to add even though you do not vote for anything they expect help from the government for food and medical care and assistance in some cases and any other free anything they can thing of….
Ryan is as usual all over the place sometimes praising the government sometimes cursing it. Ryan just loves attention and will say anything to get it and it does not matter if it makes sense or not, does not matter if he contradicts himself or agrees with himself, does not matter if he references what he is talking about or just offers insults as long as he gets the attention he craves, please ignore him.
Of course he's not married or has children! Can't you tell by his words? Lol
I don't know many Christians outside the sect who believe the list of sins Monte wrote is OK. Not sure what "Christians" he affiliates himself with but most that I know, whether they are COC or not, do not support anything on that list.
Maybe you can read lots of books, but most of us actually get to know others.
I consider the Hebrews whom Moses led out of Egypt how fast they turned to idolatry. Where did they see this before? The Egyptians were pagans worshipping many idols and oppressing the Hebrews into slavery, so why would a slave once free start following the examples of their oppressor? Why do Christians now free of the oppression of Merie group start following the examples set by their former oppressor resorting to name calling, insults and the like? Reject the idols of the oppressor and admonish others for going astray from the word of God and do not treat them as… Read more »
AnonymousMay 1, 2018 at 6:48 PM The Gospel of 2,000 years ago turned the world upside down, why would you think it wouldn't have that same effect today? What does me being married with children have to do with anything? Last I checked Jesus and Paul talked about marriage and children the most in the New Testament, and neither was married with children. Also, "A wise man learns from other's mistakes, a fool has to learn from his own". There is nothing any of us go through with children and marriage, that someone else from the past hasn't already gone… Read more »
AnonymousMay 1, 2018 at 6:55 PM Completely agree. That they don't vote is a disgrace, and that they welcome welfare at the same time makes them worse than the pagans and heathens. AnonymousMay 1, 2018 at 7:39 PM How brave you are!! Totally anonymous and calling out others by name. Where did you learn such courage? What I want to know is what five biographies of the Founders of America have you read? Let me answer for you. NONE!! So why is it that you are evaluating my critiques and praise for the government when you are completely clueless about… Read more »
AnonymousMay 1, 2018 at 11:32 PM Lots of logical fallacies in your words. Where do you get the idea that one has to have kids and be married to know the truth about both? My Bible says that the Holy Spirit will guide us into all truth, what does yours say? Mine also doesn't say that whether you are married or not, or whether you have kids or not determines your wisdom on both subjects. Elijah, Elisha, Paul, and Christ all did just fine without having kids and being married. Maybe read your Bible for a change. Then you continue… Read more »
I agree no name calling please. When you want to do so breathe and count to 10 and remember we are here to learn (at least I am and what a sad shock I am discovering) and to help and support one another. I only wish PaPa were here so I could share what is happening so I share with God. A concerned mother,grandmother and great grandmother
Thank you Jo, you are right. Refraining from name calling is good. I generally do it, though I do take Solomon's advice to heart, "A rod for the back of a scorner". Disturbing the comfortable and comforting the disturbed is my function. God bless you for being a mother, grandmother, and great grandmother. The younger women desperately need older women to teach them their Godly roles. The younger men desperately need Godly men to teach them their roles.
This father has the right idea.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/05/02/georgia-candidate-kemp-triggers-uproar-over-shotgun-ad.html
When we adopt the abusive behaviors that we were abused with bow are we any better than the group we left? Second verse same as the first, it should get better but only gets worse to quote a song from the 60"s. Our standards for behavior should be the commandments of God such as when Paul wrote to Titus telling him to speak evil of no man. It is true that often times the abused grow to be abusers themselves but this cycle of abuse can be broken by following Christ's example and rejecting man and his abusive leadership.
Good point!
Am I the only one that cannot load more comments after April 28?
I don't know about a computer but I use my Android phone and at the very bottom it will say load more.. If that's what you're talking about. When the threads get so long sometimes I have to hit the load more button 4 different times
Ok. Patience! Very interesting blog.
RPG very much so. A big eye opener concerning the beginnings of the SCOC whom did not begin with Jesus Christ in Jerusalem rather Merie Weiss in Spring Valley, California. Reading this entire blog all the topics and comments brings up so many disturbing things that had transpired in the past and continues to take place wither the cult that it is troubling that anyone who reads this blog who is a member could continue with them with a good conscience.
"If you want a relationship and marriage with a godly man, then you need to have kids. If you don't like kids, then be quiet and stay a lonely spinster all your life."
And if Monte becomes your cult leader, those will be your own 2 options, ladies. Better make sure you're fertile or you might be withdrawn from his cult!
…..?.??? This makes no sense. Is it pick on Monte today?
Yes, stop picking on Monte. He's very important. Writing a book too. It's not The Count of Monte Cristo though, that's taken. It'll be called The Cult of Monte Cristo instead.
And at the end (spoiler warning), instead of finding out he's fathered One child, he'll have fathered thousands. Not technically, he'll just be stuck with all the kids that the dads left behind with the moms when they figured out they were being duped by Monte.
Kind of like the ones duped by Merie.
AnonymousMay 2, 2018 at 9:24 PM Do you make a habit of deriding (look that word up) what you don't understand.Women were having children with no birth control long before Merie and Stanton. Maybe read "Sexual Sabotage". By your uninformed verdict, everyone in America before 1948 was in a cult because birth control was illegal. You really shouldn't talk so much when you shout your ignorance so loudly. Scorners and scoffers hate knowledge and wisdom, and exalt folly and ignorance. We have a lot on here, and we have a lot in America. It's funny, because those of you who… Read more »
Monte, how about you stop responding to anyone who hasn't met your "must have read 5 books by the founding fathers" requirement?
That would save us all from your dissertations (look it up) and from having to keep pressing the "load more" button multiple times.
How about you stop excusing your intellectual sloth and stop badgering anyone who pricks that dormant conscience of yours? That mouldy and ugly dwarf needs CPR. Mark Twain wrote about that deformed conscience of yours long ago. https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1876/06/the-facts-concerning-the-recent-carnival-of-crime-in-connecticut/306240/ It takes a lot of audacity to admit you are ignorant and then to condemn those who have bothered to learn. But, the foolish are always with us. Their censure means little. Besides sniping from anonymity, do you have anything better to do? How about you take your happy self to the library for the first time in your life, and sitting… Read more »
"Very few are willing to risk withdrawal and excommunication" This can't be more true. I'm sure that everybody has more to say than they are as to what really happened in the church. I know that I have enough to fill a book. Yes, I believe that they shower you with love, but it is a false love. Their love is as shallow as when they smile and say hello, but when it comes to actually showing it to you by deed, they fail. "let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth" How… Read more »
Lynn MM she was withdrawn from the past few months. Karma Lol
for what?
What are person does not say speaks just as loudly as what they do say. The use of examples which portray white males in a positive light, such as John d Rockefeller, Admiral rick hymover tells you the poster is likely a white male himself and views himself in the same positive light. The use of examples which portray women in a negative light, such as Margret Sanger tells us the poster disdains women. I have meet many a woman who was better than me, smarter, better with money, better with children, and many other areas of life and am… Read more »
Oh, my, a Marxist race baiter. No wonder why you constantly irrationally attack me. I've never attacked you, and your historical grasp is very tenuous at best, yet you constantly attack. Please go look up Larry Elder, Walter Williams, Thomas Sowell, Jesse Lee Peterson, Star Parker, Jason Riley, and Mychal Massie. They are conservative blacks who spit on the liberal blacks that you worship. You have the same ideas as Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson. You went to college and definitely did not read history much before you joined Stanton. So it's good you were exposed to the Bible, but… Read more »
My friend, Jesse Lee, wrote this book, and I recommend you read it. https://www.amazon.com/Antidote-Healing-America-Poison-Victimhood/dp/1942475004 It's amazing how you criticize my criticism of Margaret Sanger, yet know nothing about her. Maybe read one book about her first. 60 million babies have been murdered by abortion and you think it's wrong to condemn one of the advocates of abortion. Please!!!! And it's especially bad in the black race. 16 million babies have been murdered by abortion in the black community since 1973. 45 years!! Only 4 million have been killed in the 400 years of the translantic slave trade. Blacks make up… Read more »
I know I wouldn't want to have a Dad that is a member of Stanton as they can never really be a parent while having so much to do with working and all their man made mandatory classes piled on top of work. Why can't the church just leave families alone and let them be families at times. The control over families is sickening. They need to back off. You can't tell me one person in the church is happy with all the to do's that the church demands.
I'm curious on birth control being illegal until the year mentioned by MC when the condom was made and legally sold way before this?
https://www.yourtango.com/2013189729/condom-timeline-detailed-history-wrapping-it
Actually, if a man doesn't know the Bible and love God, he isn't fit to be a father or a husband. Stanton did a great job overall, there were a few bad apples. To think the fathers in Stanton are bad for inculcating their kids in the Bible, and keeping them around other righteous people, while spreading the Gospel is a cruel slander. The fact that you had men who were faithful to their wives, never used drugs or alcohol, never gambled, and had as many children as they could while providing for them the best they could, makes Stanton… Read more »
They should have learned from this story, A frail old man went to live with his son, daughter-in- law, and four-year old grandson. The old man’s hands trembled, his eyesight was blurred, and his step faltered. The family ate together at the table, but the elderly grandfather’ s shaky hands and failing sight made eating difficult. Peas rolled off his spoon onto the floor. When he grasped the glass, milk spilled on the tablecloth. The son and daughter-in- law became irritated with the mess. “We must do something about Grandfather, ” said the son. “I’ve had enough of his spilled… Read more »
That's interesting.
AnonymousMay 3, 2018 at 3:09 PM
Pagan cultures used contraception and murdered their babies too. Why you think that's worth imitating I have no idea.
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Family/Parents%20Corner/big_families.htm
It was never legal and it still isn't. It's a crime against nature, and as Augustine said, "An unjust law is no law at all".
Here are the fertility cults that you wish to imitate.
The Jews wiped them out easily.
https://www.thattheworldmayknow.com/fertility-cults-of-canaan
The church needs a massive restoration. Stanton has gone far afield of Campbell's restoration movement. Due to the pernicious influence of the media and hellivion, most don't have an idea of what the church is supposed to be. Bless Stanton, but having children, while wonderful, left little time for learning our history. It's a dry and thankless task. The early thinkers of America had the keys and wisdom that we of the last fifty or sixty years lack. It's very sad when I go to the library nearly half the books are of Americans who have lived in the last… Read more »
Good and honest intellectual thought Monte C. You have truly shown you are a swashbuckler extraordinaire. Keep it up and use the sword of the spirit to pierce the heart and soul asunder and the writer of Hebrews said. Tally ho and g'day mate.
May 3 2:54. and what about the children of the family who are required to attend all these classes,worship and fellowships even on school nights. As if getting a good education so they can support themselves is not a high priority. Oh that is right, they can raise them to get everything free from the government but yet don’t vote and not even educated about current affairs. They are clueless! And is it true the church must ok your vacation times and destinations? Think about this?
Thank you, AnonymousMay 3, 2018 at 7:06 PM. Likewise!!
As Andre Maurois put it: "everything that is in agreement with our personal desires seems true. Everything that is not puts us into a rage." While M C recommends going to the library he then states most histories are not worth reading, he critizes both those who do not go to the library, and then the books in the library itself. Does M C ever admit when he is wrong? Narcissism is a delusion that few recover from and true to Greek mythology most narcissist end their own lives. He criticizes those who choose not to marry and have children… Read more »
Agree Anon 6:25
He's definitely off on crazy rants, and most definitely a narcissist.
The Sophists of Athens hated absolute truth, and put Socrates to death for speaking it. http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2003/sci-techs/3035sophism.html You haven't learned from them, AnonymousMay 3, 2018 at 6:25 PM. What's so hard to understand that books written in the last fifty years about entertainers and public figures are often inferior to those written prior to fifty years ago? Do you ever admit when you are wrong? You seem to be the same man from Arizona who is full of criticism and narcissism, but constantly alleges others have it. Narcissism is a love of self. I love objective truth. There is nothing I… Read more »
I'm going to get off this blog. It's no longer Kevin's. It clearly has been taken over by an idiot who calls himself Monte Cristo.
I have been wondering what happened to Kevin and agree we need him to get the blog back on track or start a new one.
What??? You all anonymous guys and gals don't have the chutzpah (nerve, boldness, temerity) to sustain your own spiritual gabfest. This may be one of those….when the mob boss goes, so does the mob.
Don't run away just yet! Let me explain the importance of M C and his rants. Light and salt are metaphors for two different kinds of people. Light refers to higher understandings and is found in leaders, the leader points the way for the group to go, the leader gives direction. Salt refers to deeper understandings, that is how things are to be done. Both are of equal importance to any group, in the military the officers are the light providing direction and the soldiers are salt knowing the deeper technical details of how the equipment works. Christ said the… Read more »
@AnonymousMay 3, 2018 at 9:52 PM & AnonymousMay 3, 2018 at 11:30 PM. Mode of attack. Attack, when repulsed, cry, whine, and instigate. Threaten to take your toys and go home. Triggered snowflake response. Amen AnonymousMay 4, 2018 at 8:20 AM!! They are whiny cowards. AnonymousMay 4, 2018 at 9:43 AM You are a college educated deviant masquerading as a Christian. You are a clear racist, and have been infected with psychobabble You've been on here repeating psychiatric nonsense for the longest, not realizing the truths that are a lot older than psychiatry. I offered biblical and historical principles which… Read more »
Boundaries are very important in life because they give you control over your environment. A fence around your property keeps unwanted visitors out, visitors who only want to free load off of your labors such wild animals who feed on farmers crops, and waste the labor the farmer has invested. Limiting your spiritual guidance to one source, such as the Bible, will prevent you from being led astray both by false teachers, and your own hearts lusts. When you start studying other books for your spiritual guidance you will become confused trying to go in different direction at the same… Read more »
AnonymousMay 4, 2018 at 10:14 AM Brilliant. Yet you are a hypocrite as you quote your nonsense psychology courses which are unadulterated rubbish. No one on here is disputing the Bible is the Supreme Book of wisdom and knowledge. But we are disputing your interpretation of it, which is radically opposed to Alexander Campbell and nearly 2,000 years of Christianity's profound thinkers. Stanton says the same thing. Only study the Bible, never learn history or any other book. Where has that got Stanton? I think studying the Bible 2 hours a day is a great idea, but it doesn't mean… Read more »
Do not be offended by M C rants for they are child's play compared with some Jehovah Witnesses I have had to contend with. JW's are not only well versed in their bibles but present themselves in a professional manor both in dress and in their conduct, they are tough to beat. M C is only practice for me, a sharpening of my sword. I had expected M C with his self proclaimed superior intellect to challenge me on my interpretation of the metaphors of salt and light, but no challenge came. In Mark 4 Christ taught a the parable… Read more »
Your impudence and impertinence are astounding. Please look those words up for the first time in your life. Thank you!! I'm nothing close to the JW's. The whole site sees you as a charlatan and you've been caught in race baiting, lying, and evil surmising. You need to ask forgiveness for all of that, and you haven't. Yet, you are still on here preaching. How about you follow 1 John 1:9? I didn't challenge your metaphors, because you blatantly violate scripture so often there are no wise people who take your understanding of scripture seriously. Yes, let's talk about the… Read more »
Pretty sure MC has multiple personality disorder. If you read his stuff, one personality is taking to another one of his personalities.
One personality (see Monte's words above) surely said this to his other one, possibly the one named Ryan? "If I was in Stanton and I dealt with your irrational attacks, you would have been withdrawn from for walking disorderly in less than a year. Rebellious son of Belial is what you are. I admire the patience of whoever put up with you."
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I love you Ryan!
More psychobabble. Very sad. King David and Jesus would have been diagnosed with multiple personality disorder. Depending on modern psychiatry for a world outlook is extremely foolish, but that doesn't appear to bother you. You appear to know a lot about mental illness. I've never used drugs or been diagnosed with anything, what about you? Can you detail your drug use for us? Thank you!
Yes, you are disorderly and I doubt there is any rational person on earth that can ever tell you what to do. You are irrational and illogical.
I'm not against anyone posting on this blog.. But I think MC should start his own topic link on this blog because it's so all over the place and so hard to keep up with and posts get lost in the shuffle. One certain subject turns into many different novels going in every different direction..
Guess what, my right to speak isn't from you, and it appears you don't think nearly as much as you should. Think about learning history and the Bible so you make sense. That would be nice.
It's hard to keep up with because you are lazy and uninformed. Go fix yourself before you critique me.
"Rivers and men both run crooked when they follow the path of least resistance"
Thoreau
So if you think you're the only ones who get insulted by MC and told that you're not smart enough because you haven't read enough books by the Founding fathers, then don't worry, he does that even to the Mayor of Vallejo! Here's an article that shows he is an equal opportunity offender! And it's interesting he's been on this blog so much lately; I guess the locals have had enough of him. MC, you're the kind of person who gives the rest of us who left the cult a bad name. You're the type of person they go and… Read more »
So I Googled Monte Cristo and here's what I found…https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monte_Cristo_sandwichA Monte Cristo is a fried ham and cheese sandwich, a variation of the French croque-monsieur. In the 1930s–1960s, American cookbooks had recipes for this sandwich under such names as "French Sandwich", "Toasted Ham Sandwich", and "French Toasted Cheese Sandwich". Swiss cheese is typically used. So Yes "Mr Ham & Cheese" Give it a rest. You are preaching just like preachers of the Cult. Imposing ridicule and fear out of baseless ideas. Just because you read some books doesn't qualify you to shout at others. Take your preaching somewhere else and… Read more »
Wow… Just wow! Maybe MC should start up his own church.. I'll never understand how so many people are so concerned about others.. I believe in God but I certainly don't have the fear that so many have. I live my life being a good decent person and I don't try to shove my beliefs off on everybody else and rattle on about them. I'm quite happy in life going about my own business being a kind decent person, but I would strongly advise that Monte Cristo maybe start his own church in order to help himself. His posts make… Read more »
A terrible idea to have him start his own church. So much false teaching and more dysfunction. That is the problem people starting their own church for their own ego and suck in more suckers. I am tired of having to load for so long to get to comments. My time is more valuable ….
I was joking about him starting his own church. I meant it in a way so he could be his one and only member. Because this babbling is totally out of control.. And then after seeing that article that was pasted above.. Wow.. Just wow
Ham and cheese? You make my frying pan sizzle! I am a vegan who eats fish a FEGAN! You eat donuts and vegetables a Dogan! 90 percent of all Americans over eat! When you go to the library next time stay out of the cookbook section. Cornnel Sanders was a communist plant with his eleven herbs and spices he is killing Americans with cholesterol in 70 to 80 years of eating his poison it will kill you! I spoke at the national association of donut devourers anonymous (NADDA) last night and quoted Ronald McDonald! You always criticize what you have… Read more »
Anon 11:38 I may be mistaken and MC can correct me but MC never fell away from the cult. And if they hadn’t unrighteously did him wrong he would still be attending.
You seem to be implying that if one is victimized then it is okay to victimize others? A victim/bully is no better than the bully himself. We have standards for our behaviors as Christians, that is the commandments of our God and have no right to slander, insult, belittle, false accuse other as was done to us. We are called to a higher standard especially when we have been abused.
AnonymousMay 5, 2018 at 11:38 PM "if you don't know history, you don't know anything. You are like a leaf that doesn't know it's part of a tree"Michael Crichton. "My people are destroyed for a lack of knowledge"Hosea 4:6 The Mayor of Vallejo is interesting, but refuses to learn and is an authoritarian tyrant with no concept of virtue and history. Oh, but I repeat myself because that describes you and many others on the site. So you commiserate with him. First off, your ignorance and lack of virtue give you a bad name. Go fix yourself. You are a… Read more »
AnonymousMay 6, 2018 at 6:42 AM You are a lukewarm Christian. Your hysterical hyperventilating is due to your comfort being disturbed. Church is a fun hobby for you, and you are biblically and historically ignorant, and hate to be reminded of it. There is nothing I'm saying any different from what Campbell and Luther said. Maybe read more. Thank you! RPGMay 6, 2018 at 8:05 AM Exactly what is your concept of what a good church is. I'd like to hear this, and will get the popcorn out. AnonymousMay 6, 2018 at 3:21 PM Babbling is what you do when… Read more »
There are specific steps in recruiting others to yourself. Step one is to pique others curiosity, step two is to make others dependent upon you through promises, step three is to close in the boundaries around your recruit, step four is to use threats to prevent recruits from leaving, step five is to make the groups leader omnipotent. My curiosity was piqued by the invitation to a bible study, I was promised deeper understandings of the Bible, I was encouraged at first then forced by threats to have roommates which belonged to the group, and I was told by the… Read more »
Agree so why then does it take so many years for this to be revealed? Because they were vulnerable and they were duped?
Just a shot comment this time. Hey Mc Cheese!Have you ever dropped acid? I wouldn't call myself a Navy man but I knew a guy in the Navy who did do some acid and he jumped off our aircraft carrier into the Atlantic Ocean. You sound that wild in your outlet of tension. He went to Leavenworth military prison. Get help before your thoughts turn to action that may imprison you, including being involved in your own cult. Just write your book. Some where else please :} And "Leave Colonel Sanders Alone" he now has baked chicken, (not fried in… Read more »
The problems on this blog are the same in America. 90% of Americans know their hellivision more than their Bible. 90% can't even name 9 SCOTUS justices. 60% don't know the 3 branches of government. 80% can't pass a basic civics test. 90% have never read five biographies of the Founders. So the condemnation of me comes from people who hate to learn, and will attack any who remind them that their ideas are uninformed. KF, I've never used drugs or alcohol. Have you? So rather than indignantly attack me, you ought to be thanking me for showing you how… Read more »
Monte Cristo Sir,Write your book; hope that it sells a million copies as you predict in one of your earlier posts; gather a following of people who want to be enlightened by your beliefs and vast knowledge of history and literature. I doubt there are but a handful of people reading this blog that are remotely interested in your posts. You are wasting your time here as well as the time of others. You have the freedom to start your own blog, write your own book, speak at public assemblies, etc. but you have no right to hijack Kevin's personal… Read more »
Seriously? You can't even spell!! Baffoon?? It's buffoon, which is what you are. Who are you to say what's appropriate for this site? You can't even spell. Go learn how to judge your own writing before you try to judge what I say. Go look up apathy. That will tell you why people aren't interested in what I say. But let someone talk about hellivision, movies, sports, music or other nonsense, and you will fall all over yourself to worship your idols, you miserable idolater. Free speech was given to us so that we didn't have a kakocracy. Go look… Read more »
We have this same problem in our schools. The kids who don't want to learn and are uninformed gang up on and bully those who do learn. They make them feel bad just because some students actually did the work to learn. So, kids are trained to be stupid and not appear too smart. Well, I personally could give two hoots for anyone who tries to intimidate me for doing the work necessary to be an informed citizen of America, and a diligent student of the Bible. God don't like lazy. And he really doesn't like lazy people who intimidate… Read more »
Yesterday, at 5:25 P.M. PDT, yours truly walked into the Fairfield Church of Christ. It happened to be the May Trip and so the preacher and teacher were away. It was quite a shock at first to them and me, but I calmly sat down, and heard some edifying words. I was edified on how we need to leave our comfort zones. Pretty ironic, since as an excommunicated brother, my comfort zone had been shredded pretty good in the last ten years. My reception was more hospitable this time around. Last time, they were speaking of calling the police on… Read more »
May 7, 2:19. Knowledge without humility is ugly. Mighty ugly indeed. Your personal attacks are appalling. Which of the books you have read by men you esteem have ever argued their point in the manor you portray?
*manner. Humility is understanding our own limitations and not attacking others on ideas we aren't familiar with.
Humility is not putting up with people's atrocious spelling and horrifically ahistorical ideas. Sorry!!
A proud person wouldn't bother correcting people. They'd let them be wrong, and laugh at them in private.
I don’t believe laughing at people publicly is any more acceptable than laughing at them in private. I believe ‘putting up with’ atrocious spelling could be an admirable virtue much more then looking down your nose at the less educated or the mistaken. You give an answer to a man or woman’s words by laughing at their spelling and making a point to show your superior carnal ability; and you justify it. I’m not ordering you to stop; I am begging you.
Anon 5-6 @8:05 pm one reason the steps into recruitment are not well known is that they are so subtle only an astute observer would be able to identify them. I would watch the behavior of my teaching preacher and try to copy it with nothing but failure. Like Jim jones my teaching preacher was a master of influence using encouragement, discouragement, honesty and deceit flawlessly. I watch him change his personality when around the evangelist and back when the evangelist would walk out of the room, a true Dr. Jeckel and Mr. Hyde (Dr. Jeckel is just an act… Read more »
One of the problems in relying on history books is that they are one sided, military history is especially biased as it is written by the victors alone. In the Vietnam conflict 58,000 Americans died but how many Vietnamese died? About 7 million. During the holocaust 6.6 million Jews died but 11.6 million total died in the concentration camps the seldom spoken about 5 million others were mostly polish citizens. There was a sign over the peoples temple agriculture project entrance in Guiana that read "those who fail to study history are condemned to repeat it" a ominous warning of… Read more »
AnonymousMay 7, 2018 at 10:15 PM
When you read enough history books from all sides you eliminate bias. This is a common excuse used by those who try to excuse themselves for not learning history.
Take World War 2 for instance. We have versions from all sides, including the Nazi's and Japanese. It takes more work to examine them all, but it's possible to find the truth.
Christianity hasn't killed anyone, only those who distort it.
Well I agree and am currently reading Ivan's war by Catherine Martindale about the Soviet side of WW2. Like riches you do not reveal your wisdom to everyone. In the book of Daniel you can read of King nebchadezzar who was so angry he ordered all the wise men killed, not good to be known for wisdom at that time. In Cambodia during the late 70's a communist group called the Kramer rouge took control and killed everyone with any kind of knowledge leaving only the peasants alive, sometimes it is wise to be a fool. When under oppression the… Read more »
MC 2:46 good for you attending a Sunday evening class. Curious why they let you be? Anyhow I’m glad they left you alone. I may have to pay Portland a visit with my people. More out of fun for me though.
Thank you Craig. Well, if they called the police on me, they are violating scripture as Corinthians says not to call the law on your brother. Obviously I wouldn't leave if they told me. So they had two options. Either get up and leave the building, which they've done before, or let me sit quietly and do nothing. They opted for the latter.
I wasn't disrespectful in the least. I simply refused to obey a law they made that contradicted God's law.
So I Googled about Mc Cheese's two favoite subjects. Founding Fathers and Homosexuality. But I'm too lazy to read it all. So Mc Cheese take a peak at what your fathers were doing when no one was looking. https://www.advocate.com/arts-entertainment/2017/1/18/15-gay-founding-fathers-and-mothers#slide-0 I was only in the Navy 4 years but it showed me plenty about the world. Yes much of the world is un-educated and want to believe in some sort of hope for themselves. That's where so many get duped by carnival-barkers of religion and everlasting-life.Yes the un-educated fall for that sort of non-sense. All your shouting of the words of… Read more »
Big mistake, KF. Google is leftist propaganda. I never use it at all. Not only do they spy on people, but they spread propaganda and their algorithms are designed to lead you to left wing sites, which you fell for. I recommend DuckDuckGo as a search engine, which does not spy on you, and is far less biased. http://www.wnd.com/2015/03/will-the-left-gain-control-of-every-web-search/ And the site you posted is comprised of total lies. You need to read five biographies of the Founders. Google just duped you, so I wouldn't be worried about the religious getting duped. Your approach is that of apathy, which never… Read more »
May week for the cult. I’m wondering if they’ll come up with two elders this year? Any input on what they are discussing this year?
Another painful reminder today not to trust the complaining buddy at work. I have a coworker whom I deal with on a daily basis who will complain about everything related to work, from his required daily tasks, to the boss, to the industry we work in, to his point of view the grass is greener somewhere else. I usually remain silent and allow him to dominate the conversation, but I did agree with him recently and said perhaps I should look for employment somewhere else and the next day the supervisor asked me when I was quiting, to which I… Read more »
Good advice! Sad people cannot be trusted. When you think you have a true friend and they betray you. Like when you leave the church you are shunned. Like when they say Love thy neighbor like you love yourself. How disappointing….
The SCOC has a history of taking things to extremes. Members are not allowed to fellowship with outsiders including family, one has to wonder how then does one let their light shine to the outside world? Once I became a member I had instant new friends, that is the members of my local church, people I just met, but really did not know. I was told two weeks after baptism that I was not to eat dinner at a coworkers house because friendship with the world was enmity with God. I was obedient and let all my relationships with people… Read more »
Anon 5:48. You were spot on as I experienced the same, however, I remained connected with my parents thank goodness. Though I missed regretfully family outings that I should’ve been on because I may of missed a midweek class, nonmember class or personal work which none are a commandment to keep. TC wants to use James 4:17 ha ha clown use that scripture to lift all your unscriptural withdrawals including mine. Oops no name calling. I’ve thankfully have reconnected with many old friends that are great people. Life has been awesome getting away from the cult though my wife is… Read more »
I believed the same thing until I began to understand these passages – Luke 16:8-9 8 And the lord commended the unjust steward, because he had done wisely: for the children of this world are in their generation wiser than the children of light. 9 And I say unto you, Make to yourselves friends of the mammon of unrighteousness; that, when ye fail, they may receive you into everlasting habitations. The church wants us to sever our ties with those in out lives and rely on them, but when it comes time to rely on them they fail to help.… Read more »
Craig Cusick
One thing through all of this that I have been trying to emphasize on is that we will have to stand before God and give account to what we did to each other. This scares me to not want to offend the people of God in any way or fashion.
Lynn mm, well said. I do not view the cult and it’s followers of God or the people of God. Including my wife. Actually we do not want to offend anyone period. The cult and its followers do a pretty good job of offending people not only within their group but also outside of it as well. Awesome Lynn mm that you saw God work and it was those who were not members of the cult that helped you. The Tacoma congregation are quite a reproach. Actually all of the congregations are.
I agree.
One of the subtle methods of Satan and those who personify him is to change the reason behind what you are required to do. Work is required of all of us to be productive but the wicked change work as a method of productivity to work as a method of control and punishment. I started the personal work out of joy to be one of the few to spread the gospel to the world. Soon however the teaching preacher became very demanding about the personal work saying that although the church was having baptisms they were comming through family and… Read more »
Instant gratification is a trap of Satan. Satan tempted Christ saying he would willing give Christ rule over all the kingdom's of the world if he would just fall down and worship him, why suffer and die when you can have it right now? Satan was lieing as he always does because it is God that rules in the kingdom of men as Nebuchadnezzar found out. This is the fourty year anniversary since the Jonestown murder/sucide and many former members are speaking out about their experiences. One of the ways Jim Jones cemented the loyalty of his followers was through… Read more »
And what blows my mind is they have no education for teaching,preaching and counsel as they want to keep them dumb and dumber so the maniacs at the top can control them and what for? The one true church is just the opposite of being true and a church. A fraud! A cult! But you know what? God knows all about it and what do you think he thinksabout it? what about how they interfere with the families and how ridiculous to tell a couple when and how to make love and not to use birth control. I could go… Read more »
Those that I saw put in a position of authority did not humbly serve others but rather use their position to create a following after themselves. I saw insider/outsider mentality develop very quickly between the local preacher and his groupies and the rest of the members of the church. If you were an insider you received status and privileges the rest did not. If you committed adultery or child abuse that was no big deal but if you told someone to "quit complaining" you were threatened with mark and avoid. Gnat attack was the method of control, if you showed… Read more »
AnonymousMay 13, 2018 at 11:40 PM Education? You mean like Christ and his apostles, who all had college degrees? Good thing they did or where would we be? Good thing Abraham Lincoln and George Washington had college degrees, along with Andrew Carnegie, Rockefeller, and A.P. Giannini. Yes Sir!! A college degree is totally necessary. It's the biggest business in America at $1.3 trillion, and don't listen to the naysayers who say it's all brainwashing. They are really learning useful stuff in college like how to use drugs, fornicate, debauched sexual practices, party, basket weaving, multicultural studies, adult beverage consumption, communism,… Read more »
Come on MC. I can understand by your reply you have been in this church??? a long time and only looking at the negative of a further education or training. I know you are from a large family and that is fine for some people but not for all and should be no ones business in a church how many children they choose. I do not believe couples should have children and then expect others to support them or the government. Each to their own. You are wrong! I have never used drugs. Nor do I plan to use them… Read more »
AnonymousMay 14, 2018 at 11:00 AM Can you tell me what can't be learned at the library for free that is taught in college for a fortune? Last I checked, it was nothing. I have a 5,000 volume personal library, and just bought 87 more great books for $60 Saturday. Got the 6 volume hardback Winston Churchill history of World War 2 for $2.50 at a library book store. One of the truly greatest days of my life, besides when I bought my Bible from DS after mowing lawns for him, and getting a tattoo on my arm from being… Read more »
I'd like to share the problems that the 35 and under have by sharing a recent experience with a 32 year old named David. I met him when I was on a tele conference Thursday night with America's Party, which is the closest to the Constitution of any I know of. For the Christians who want to sing out about how we don't get involved in politics, zip it! You wouldn't have America if the Founders thought like you. You've watched all kinds of Hellivision and Hollyweird but you are triggered snowflakes when we talk about politics even though you've… Read more »
David responds with this. Ryan Messano, Thank you for sending me these links. I appreciate it. Following is a link to Framing the Word's documentary Marching to Zion which is in partnership with Faithful Word Baptist Church in Tempe, AZ where Steven Anderson is Lead Pastor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=typ2pl2L47k&index=1&list=PLZ0McjOGQbq5OxjlGYd01LyxzO_XrdWYy&t=5210s You can purchase this DVD documentary at http://www.framingtheworld.com. I believe, according to God's Word, that the New Covenant is made between God and ALL of those who choose to believe and accept Jesus Christ. For example, the famous passage of John 3:16-17 which quotes Jesus himself, "For God so loved the world, that… Read more »
I don’t believe the Jews are going to heaven unless they accept Christ, but they are worlds better than Muslims.
His response Ryan , Please forgive me if I cause you any offense, but I simply don't believe you read and comprehended my entire email, then replied to it with any real intelligent thought in 6 minutes. Furthermore, I fail to understand what Islam has to do with the relationship between Judaism and Christianity? It too is a false religion and anti-Christ. Both have a history of persecuting the Church. Besides, it was Steven I. Engel, a Jew, that began and continued the legal process that led to the Engel v Vitale case in 1962 in which the Supreme Court… Read more »
Dear David, Please forgive me if I offend you by responding without reading through the information you presented, as it's nearly always the same with your age group. You rarely read, you don't have ten history books in your library, you watch YouTube propaganda, and you read Google propaganda. Wisdom is not on Google or youtube. Wisdom is obtained by vast reading from many different sources. You haven't even considered the rightwing sources because you've never been exposed to them. How can your opinion be taken seriously when you've never heard them. I'm very familiar with the pro Palestine, anti… Read more »
Ryan Messano, I am aware of the National Review publication, Townhall.com, as well as Breitbart. The other sources NOT so much. I do not utilize these sources for my daily news. I often listen to the Glenn Beck radio program on the Blaze from 9 AM till 12 NOON. This fits my schedule best. No, I do NOT have 10 biographies, but I do have a two. I have Team of Rivals by Dorris Kearns Goodwin and John Adams by David McCullough. After reading over 600 pages of Team of Rivals I got bored and I haven't touched it in… Read more »
It’s great you know of National Review and Townhall, though the former just had an article recently that we ought to accept transgenderism and Guy Benson, a homosexual, is a writer at the latter. Both ideas are crazy. Glenn Beck was a favorite of mine, as I supported Ted Cruz, but his Mormonism and absurd never trumperism is nonsense, imo. The “Team of Rivals” book by Kearns Goodwin, and John Adams by Mccullough are inferior to books on the two written over seventy years ago. Carl Sandburgs biography of Lincoln was a masterpiece, and books Lincoln written before 1900 are… Read more »
Ryan you must have been out playing the simulated war game paintball again to explain your absence. Now it's back to the blog to relieve your aggressions with straw man arguments. College education is amoral, it is neither good nor bad but how one uses knowledge determines if they are a wise man or a fool. You disdain further education but boast of your own further education a contradiction to even the simplest of us. I don't want to buy the religion you are peddling my religion is free to all.
Ryan Messano, National Review and Townhall.com were on your list of trusted "right wing" conservative sources that you sent me in your initiall e-mail to check out. You vilified me for not being aware of them, labeling me as ignorant and indoctrinated by liberalism. Now I mention that I utilize them from time to time to look up specific-based information, you criticize them as corrupted and biased by their Pro-Homosexual stance. You challenged me to compare my library of biographies to yours. In fact, you wanted me to list 10. I informed you that I have biographies written by Doris… Read more »
Please do not distort what I said, I merely pointed out anomalies in their normally trustworthy reporting. I did not say they were totally corrupt. Also, try to keep the facts straight, I said written before 1950, not 1900. If you can’t keep facts straight in a simple email exchange, you are really in trouble when we are dealing with facts over centuries of time. Then you distort what I said again. This is a common problem with your generation. I never said your education specifically was brainwashing, but higher education at large is. Also, we really don’t start letters… Read more »
Ryan Messano, I will write you a check for $100 if you can quote anything that I have written that either favors, promotes, or even defends Islam. May God strike me down on this very spot! You attack your own sources that you esteemed so highly and have the gull to deny it when I bring it up. You've attack my education. You've attacked my age. You have been so critical and insulting towards me with your unreasoning logic, arrogant boasting, and self-righteousness that you've exhausted my patience with you. Yes, you did type 1900. Get YOUR facts right, "The… Read more »
While you protest you don’t support Islam, you take the side of the Israeli hating Palestinians who favor exterminating Israel from the earth, along with Iran. May I recommend you sit down with the Kjv Bible, dictionary, and thesaurus WITHOUT THE INTERNET, and study the word PRIDE for the first hour of your entire life? Thank you! This is the root of your issues. Just because you don’t understand that the youth in this nation is being seriously brainwashed by the twin weapons of the left, the media and schools, for not make me arrogant for saying it. Once again,… Read more »
Ryan Messano, Palestinian Christians and even many Muslims simply want to live in peace in their country. These people do NOT want to be evicted from their homes and driven into another country simply because foreign Jews want their ancestral homeland back. That's no different than American citizens being evicted from their Georgia homes because the Cherokee want their ancestral homeland back. If this be the logic behind your reasoning, then the United States should forfeit rights to New Mexico, Arizona, and California to Mexico and the border line separating Texas from Mexico should be redrawn to its original border… Read more »
Well, that’s too bad. I recommend you read a biography of Harry Truman, he knew far more history than you, and understood the people and history of the Middle East very well. Israel was there long before the Palestinians got their Islamic hands on it. Christians aren’t being attacked by Israel and the Jews, they are being exterminated by Muslims, whose Quran commands the extirpation of Jews and Christians. I’m frankly very frightened at how tenaciously you defend the most ridiculous ideas. It shouldn’t take this much work to convince you of the utter folly of your beliefs. Stubbornness is… Read more »
Ryan Messano, Santa Ana was democratically elected by Mexico to be their President, but he turned into a military dictator which is why local Mexicans & American immigrants joined together under Sam Houston (who fought with General Jackson) and fought Santa Ana's military rule and established the Republic of Texas on March 2nd, 1836 which was later annexed by the United States on February 19th, 1846. However, the Mexican-American War was a separate conflict. President Polk was a firm believer in Manifest Destiny and wanted to make the United States a continental nation which was accomplished by his signing of… Read more »
Look David, I know all that. I grew up without a hellivision, and read a ton. Please stop telling me what you find on Google. Been there, done that. It’s hard not to be contemptuous with your age group because you don’t know what you don’t know. Can you read? I’m NOT INTERESTED IN YOUR GOOGLE SEARCHES!! If you don’t know it from memory, then get to reading. You were told not to respond until you sit down and study pride and humility for one hour. You did it anyway. Google searches are meaningless and there is plenty of propaganda… Read more »
Sure enough, he responded and was blocked.
For the lukewarm Christians who are allergic to severe teaching, let me introduce you to Martin Luther, who was here centuries before Stanton.
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Monte, I believe I am speaking for the vast majority of readers of this blog. ZIP IT!!!! Keep your mouth shut, go read your Bible, and don’t waste my time with your nonsense anymore! That last dump of comments was completely uncalled for with respects to what this blog is about. It might make you feel good to see your words in print and to know that your thoughts are not going unnoticed but this is ridiculous! Go have your discussions elsewhere on your own blog and with people who are interested in what you have to say! You are… Read more »
To MC on the subject of college education… I can tell you who can't practice their profession without a college and/or post secondary education…doctors, dentists, teachers, physical therapists, nurses, radiology techs, speech therapists, librarians, pilots, military officers, engineers, CPAs, veterinarians, engineers, architects. Even barbers and cosmologists require post high school education. All the reading and studying in the world would not grant them a professional license.
Sure, one can learn anything by studying library books but one can't practice what they've learned if they are interested in pursuing any of the above professions.
AnonymousMay 14, 2018 at 2:04 PM I just love you impudent types who are totalitarian dictators. Who gave you the idea that you get to tell people what they can and cannot say? That last exchange was for people like you to see what you need to learn. But you don't want to learn. You want to silence others and live your mediocre life and throw your weight around. Go look up the First Amendment. You don't speak for the majority, and you certainly don't speak for the wise and virtuous even if you did. It matters little who is… Read more »
AnonymousMay 14, 2018 at 2:52 PM
That's less than 25% of all college degrees. Most are for nonsense topics. Even those degrees can be learned in the library or on the internet for free.
MC, interesting how you can't hear your own words, such as 'zip it' and 'keep your mouth shut' without crying 'dictator'. Those are words you yourself have said to others in your comments on this blog, that's exactly why I used them on you.
MC you are such a contradiction. You have no problem blocking people when you are doing the blocking. You have a perverted sense of the word freedom. You don't even practice what you preach.
AnonymousMay 14, 2018 at 3:15 PM What's interesting is that you don't understand the First Amendment was for wise and virtuous opinions, not for every Tom, Dick, and Harry to spout off. That's the problem. The sophists teach you that your measurement of things counts, and there is no absolute truth. Well they, and you, are both dead wrong. https://larouchepub.com/other/2003/sci-techs/3035sophism.html AnonymousMay 14, 2018 at 3:27 PM Not really, Solomon was for free speech for wise opinions too, but if you didn't know what you were talking about, he recommended a rod for the fools back. So, let's see. Are you… Read more »
Hey Everyone! We nominate Monte to be the First Amendment Police!! He will be the decider of all things wise and virtuous. Let Freedom Ring!!
Tom Dick and HarryMay 14, 2018 at 4:22 PM Moe, Larry, and Curly, is that you? You misspelled your name. The blog was for informed opinions, not jokers who are fond of impudently inserting their uninformed opinions everywhere. Liberty is only possible with virtue, and when you don't know the latter, which you obviously don't, the former is endangered, which it is. Here's a quick primer for you. I know you'll enjoy it. Cheerio!! lib-er-ty 'lib-er-te` n [ME, fr. MF liberte', fr. L libertat, libertas, fr. liber free] 1. FREEDOM 2. POWER 3. CHOICE 4. RIGHT 5. PRIVILEGE 6. DUTY… Read more »
"The aggregate happiness of the society, which is best promoted by the practice of a virtuous policy, is, or ought to be, the end of all government . . . ."George Washington "Human rights can only be assured among a virtuous people. The general government . . . can never be in danger of degenerating into a monarchy, an oligarchy, an aristocracy, or any despotic or oppresive form so long as there is any virtue in the body of the people."George Washington "Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become more corrupt and vicious, they have more… Read more »
"Bad men cannot make good citizens. It is when a people forget God that tyrants forge their chains. A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, is incompatible with freedom. No free government, or the blessings of liberty, can be preserved to any people but by a firm adherence to justice, moderation, temperance, frugality, and virtue; and by a frequent recurrence to fundamental principles."Patrick Henry "The only foundation of a free Constitution, is pure Virtue, and if this cannot be inspired into our People, in a great Measure, than they have it now. They may change their Rulers, and… Read more »
"[N]either the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt. He therefore is the truest friend of the liberty of his country who tries most to promote its virtue, and who, so far as his power and influence extend, will not suffer a man to be chosen onto any office of power and trust who is not a wise and virtuous man."Samuel Adams "The diminution of public virtue is usually attended with that of public happiness, and the public liberty will not long survive the total extinction of… Read more »
"…if the citizens neglect their Duty and place unprincipled men in office, the government will soon be corrupted; laws will be made, not for the public good so much as for selfish or local purposes; corrupt or incompetent men will be appointed to execute the Laws; the public revenues will be squandered on unworthy men; and the rights of the citizen will be violated or disregarded."Noah Webster "Let a man's zeal, profession, or even principles as to political measures be what they will, if he is without personal integrity and private virtue, as a man he is not to be… Read more »
"No free government can stand without virtue in the people, and a lofty spirit of partiotism." Andrew Jackson "Lastly, our ancestors established their system of government on morality and religious sentiment. Moral habits, they believed, cannot safely be on any other foundation than religious principle, nor any government be secure which is not supported by moral habits." Daniel Webster "[I]f we and our posterity reject religious instruction and authority, violate the rules of eternal justice, trifle with the injunctions of morality, and recklessly destroy the political constitution which holds us together, no man can tell how sudden a catastrophe may… Read more »
"[T]he very best forms of government are vain without public virtue . . . ."William A. Cocke "No polity can be devised which shall perpetuate freedom among a people that are dead to honor and integrity. Liberty and virtue are twin sisters, and the best fabric in the world . . . ."James H. Thornwell "[P]erfect freedom consists in obeying the dictates of right reason, and submitting to natural law. When a man goes beyond or contrary to the law of nature and reason, he . . . introduces confusion and disorder into society . . . [thus] where licentiousness… Read more »
Should have just told him in the beginning if he uses porn or drugs not to talk to you and gave him that choice firt. Might have prevented a mini novel. Lol
"The American Constitution is remarkable for its simplicity; but it can only suffice a people habitually correct in their actions, and would be utterly inadequate to the wants of a different nation. Change the domestic habits of the Americans, their religious devotion, and their high respect for morality, and it will not be necessary to change a single letter in the Constitution in order to vary the whole form of their government."Francis Grund "History fails to record a single precedent in which nations subject to moral decay have not passed into political and economic decline. There has been either a… Read more »
AnonymousMay 14, 2018 at 4:44 PM
Good point. Every man has viewed porn, and drug use is rampant.
Everyone go to a new thread so we can discuss what this blog was intended for and get away from MC for goodness sake. He has taken it over and most of it tooting his own horn and trying to shame others. He has porn and drugs on his mind…and anyone who disagrees with him ….well you know the rest of the story.
AnonymousMay 14, 2018 at 5:38 PM Speak for yourself. Not everyone hates wisdom and virtue. Just because you have an allergy to it, doesn't mean you should lead everyone else to disaster like the Pied Piper of Hamelin. You have a severe problem with evil surmising, also with pride, as you insist on forcing your uninformed opinion on others and demand that it be respected. When people spit on it, as it should be, you throw a conniption fit and try and take your toys and tell all the other kids to leave too. Pathetic!! Kindly confirm you don't use… Read more »
When Christ exorted to make friends of unrighteous mamon so that when you fail they may take you into everlasting habitation when applied to his life it meant that he was friendly to a rich man named Joseph who buried him after his death. Fail being his death and everlasting habitation being the grave.
When someone walks after their lust they develop an inferiority complex and become known as a doormat. Doormat treat others well but treat themselves badly. One of the behavioral fruits of doormat is they are menpleasers, moral cowards. All leaders are man pleasers to a certain extent take Herod for an example when he made the foolish pledge to give the girl that danced for him and his guests anything she asked for up to half his kingdom and she came back and asked for a man's life Herod should have had the moral courage to tell her she was… Read more »
I have to wonder about my first teaching preacher in the SCOC about his hidden life. One of my frequent prayers is that serial killers may be identified and punished that evildoers learn to fear God, especially that cases that have gone cold be solved so that evildoers do not get away with their crimes. With the arrest of the golden State killer, Joseph James deangelo 72 years old and a former police officer I know that God hears our prayers and provides us our safety from such evil people. In the news reports several of his neighbors commented on… Read more »
Where on earth were you attending and please say you are not still there and left immediately. How could anyone sit through this? Insane!
It was the Phoenix congregation 1990-1993. No I don't attend since 2002. As I study psychology I am taught to observe human behavior and for each and every behavior their is a reason behind it. The reason behind the behavior may not make any sense to others or even to the person exhibiting the behavior at the time but if you go below the surface the reasons become very clear. For example a person may have a phobia of dogs and not know why but in questioning the individual they may have been taught the phobia by a parent who… Read more »
One thing I was considering tnis week was the fear of God. God is no respecter of persons, no matter who or where you are come judgement day you will be judged by the law God gave man to obey. Knowing this you take Christ into consideration that if he had sinned he would judged for his disobedience by God. Christ was obedient in all things required of the Jews by God which shows the level of fear he must of had to be obedient at all times, I wish I had the level of fear of God to be… Read more »
Lord Acton a British historian made an observation that power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely meaning that as a persons sense of power grows their morality decreases and this can be seen with king Solomon but not with Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ like King Solomon had absolute power that is the power over life and death of others but Christ used his absolute power not to take life but go restore it not once but time and time again. What separated Christ from other leaders was his fear of God, he retained it all throughout his life. When you… Read more »
Interesting lesson this week on expressing discontentments, or murmuring. Expressing discontentments privately is murmuring compared to expressing discontentments publicly which might be sowing discord or rebellion. I was taught that murmuring was a fruit of uncleaness but that is not always true. People express their discontentments privately for a vast number of different reasons such as trying to sound more important to one's peers, or following the bad example set by another who express discontentments out of habit. One of the subtle or difficult parts of wisdom is that the wise do not express their discontentments but rather their contentment.… Read more »
In making moral judgements we are often told to ask what would Jesus do and go with that. If you are a little on the slow side like me this can present problems as I don't always know what Jesus would do so I have to ask myself would would Satan do and then do the opposite. God always tells the truth and Satan always lies therefore if Satan says take the easy way or the wide gate I know that he is lying and to take the hard way and the narrow gate. From scripture one in Census we… Read more »
What is a Christian to do after leaving a dead Church? The church is supposed to be the bride of Christ and a bride should be a virtuous woman. All the behaviors mentioned in Proverbs 31:10-31 of a virtuous woman should be looked for when seeking a virtuous church. As the virtuous woman stretched out her hands to the needy so the virtuous church should stretch out their hands spiritually to feed the needy saints. If your not being feed spiritually, that is not being edified then perhaps you need to reexamine the behaviors of your church as see if… Read more »
Yes they do and I encourage you all to do so. Please don’t turn away from God simply because you have been in a devious one. Actually cannot be called a church. Cult is a better word for it.
In the proverbs it is written twice that there is a way that seemeth right into a man but the end thereof is death and an example of this is seen in the new testament with Herod how he gave a speech and the audience said it is the voice of a god and not of a man and the angel of the Lord smote him down and he died, failing to give God the glory as a leader resulted in his death. When a person is granted understandings of the scriptures by God that same person bears the responsibility… Read more »