1 Corinthians 7:23 – You were bought at a price; do not become slaves of human beings. (NIV)
Galatians 5:1 – For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery. (ESV)
Being enslaved to human masters can wear on a person. Whether it’s having to seek counsel for what color or style of underwear you want to wear (no, I’m not kidding), or whom you marry and when, Jesus didn’t buy our freedom only to hand us over to the rabbi class of the so-called One True Church. God created the human spirit to be free, made in his image. Humans need autonomy, and that need matures and grows as we move from our teen years into adulthood.
Those who are willing to exercise personal liberty at the expense of other members of society become criminals. “No one can tell me what to do” is the hallmark attitude of the budding criminal mind. But we don’t talk as much about its polar opposite. There is another type of person, the “please just tell me what I need to do” person who comes to believe that life is easier as a follower. And it is; you don’t have to think for yourself.
Throughout all of human history, the impulse to be free and independent has done fierce battle against this other human impulse…to live comfortably enslaved to other people. People do it in relationships, jobs, churches—any situation where humans interact. When leaders succeed in breaking the will of their subjects, the subjects come to depend on them for everything. Suppressing the human desire to be free doesn’t happen overnight. Controlling leaders simply add layer upon layer of demands so that fallible human authority is submitted to gradually, like the frog in the hot water.
But just as submission to the yoke of oppression doesn’t happen all at once, gaining the strength to cast it off doesn’t, either. It starts with a stirring of hope. “What would it be like to be free?” No doubt the slaves of yesteryear dreamed of one day attaining their freedom from the yoke of their masters. But that question ultimately leads to pondering what one would do with real freedom, and ultimately, plotting how to obtain it. All of this culminates in a personal independence day—a day when the chains of oppression, once self-imposed, are eagerly cast off.
There is nothing wrong with leadership, and there is nothing wrong with people following godly leaders. We should all be humbly led by humble leaders. But we should never be discouraged from asking bold questions of our leaders, and when we do, the humble ones will take those questions seriously. When their answer is to refuse to answer hard questions, accuse you of murmuring and threaten withdrawal for seeking answers elsewhere, and use other fear and intimidation tactics to keep you or your family members silent, well, that’s a problem. That’s not leadership, it’s tyranny.
There is a time to throw off illegitimate authority, like the colonialists did during the founding of our country. Many of the “law and order” Christians of the day—the very ones who, ironically enough, most wanted to escape the heavy hand of the king—argued against colonial independence. They were like the Stanton loyalists of today, who may disagree with the sect’s teachings, but defend its power structure and right to exist, nonetheless. It’s odd how the human heart, under so many years of oppression, comes to identify with its captors, whether physical or intellectual.
Humans have an innate desire to grow their power, influence, and prestige. It’s part of being human—or rather, part of being made in the image of God. How can that be, you say? How could people made in God’s image become tyrants?
Because God made us to be creators, leaders, conquerors. We want to build things and influence people. There’s nothing wrong with those instincts if we have godly character—putting others first, leading compassionately, humbly serving those we lead, as Jesus exemplified. Jesus turned the world upside down with this model of leadership.
But being made in the image God, without that impulse being tempered by the fruits of the spirit, like love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control, is a recipe for tyranny. And tyranny describe the whole of human history, when you think about it. Atilla the Hun, Gengis Kahn, Alexander the Great, Muhammed, Napoleon, Adolf Hitler—history gives us a long list of conquerors who were not godly men.
History also has a long list of spiritual leaders who were not godly people. Going back to the earliest pagan times, humans elevated fallible humans to the role of gods, priests and priestesses, and spiritual advisors. Nations elevated their kings as deities, self-declared prophets obtained excessive political power, and Christians, being human, did the same in their churches.
The Catholic Church, the oldest of Christian sects, is replete with ungodly leaders at the helm in its history of conquest and political power. But think about this. Martin Luther didn’t throw off those chains and forever alter Christian history until 1517, when he nailed his 95 theses to the wall of Castle Church. If we peg the beginning of Jesus’s church to about 33 A.D., that means humans immediately began to elevate other fallible humans to positions of spiritual authority over themselves, and submitted to those human overlords, for over 1400 years before casting off the shackles.
Everyone has to reach the point where it means enough to them, personally, to break free from the control of the people hindering their relationship with God. It became impossible for the Jewish people to foster a real relationship with the God of Heaven, because the rabbis had set themselves up as the intermediaries. Their “leadership” in judging the day to day application of the Law of Moses was actually a roadblock to freedom under God. So God sent Jesus to set the captives free.
If you declare your personal Independence Day and break free of the shackles Stanton has placed on you, don’t make the mistake so many others have in the past of thinking that Stanton = God and therefore No Stanton = No God. That is Stanton’s conceit, and it is idolatry, plain and simple.
On the other hand, leaving Stanton does not mean you have absolute freedom to do whatever you want, and live life with no authority in your life. If you are a believer in the Lord Jesus Christ, and have been baptized into his name, your freedom was bought with a price. You are called to use your freedom for a higher purpose:
Galatians 5:13-14 – You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh; rather, serve one another humbly in love. For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” (NIV)
Many of you have started that journey already, with a joyful Independence Day you can look back on. Others are of you are still wrestling with your faith, or the complicated family dynamics that will happen as a consequence of leaving, or just the outright fear of the unknown in taking that first step.
But God created us to be free. New Jersey’s motto is “Live free or die,” and it is true. At some point you will will have to free yourself, or die inside. My advice: Seek God for the next right thing to do. You may not know what the step after that is going to be. But that shouldn’t stop you from doing the right thing now.
Comment, email, or call me if you need encouragement and prayer. But by all means, pursue and defend your freedom in Christ. This could be your own personal Independence Day.
Amen!!
Very good encouraging article and thank you!
Excellent article and advice Kevin! Leaving was not easy for myself, but it had become necessary. The day I left, it felt as if a huge weight had been lifted off, which in fact was the case!I realized that it was now just me and God!! What was frightening was that very same fact-I alone was now responsible for everything I did. What I had to realize was that I was still accountable for all of the decisions the group leaders had made that I had followed. Having them make decisions DID NOT take away from my responsibility in God's… Read more »
Great article, Kevin! It is a long road to Independence after living under Stanton for so many years! Prayer and giving everything to God will give you the freedom to live for God and move forward. Thank you!
Excellent post. I am one of those struggling due to family losses. It hurts a lot many days. But my conscience and wanting to be free from the things teachers there bind on others stop me from going back, as well as their unscriptural system. This makes me think of examples in the bible in which God's people wanted a king. They just had to have someone who decided things for them. Right now I sometimes feel like the Jews when they were taken out of Egypt. Like them, God has given me freedom. But also like them, I can… Read more »
Hang in there and each day you will get stronger. Hopefully you will never go back!
Not going back. Any church that teaches all, including one's kids, that Jesus himself came to divide families is nowhere I will ever attend again. I'm so sick of them taking the bible out of context to make themselves feel better about their teachings and how horrible they treat and speak about others. Never going back. Discouragement is one thing. Insanity is another.
I'm on the same page as you seeking. It's funny they had to declare I am a member so they could withdraw from me. Though I'm not a member. I wouldn't go back either as I came to the understanding of independence from Merie's cult actually in December. This is when I knew my baptism was no good. Didn't need a hypocrite preacher or his sidekick teacher to tell me any different. Didn't need the faulty counsel by unworthy counselors to try to persuade me otherwise though she tried. It was one of my happiest days. As I'd come to… Read more »
Seeking…I don't quite understand about the church teaching Jesus came to divide families? I have never heard of churches,teachers/preachers treating people of the congregation like this. It is so apparent to me this is among the most dysfunctional abusive cult and needs to be exposed. I am doing my very best to expose it as much as I can. I do not fear them as I have done nothing wrong to fear .
Anon 447I certainly appreciate any word about the sect you get out. I'm not afraid either. But yes, a couple weeks after I left (about 3 plus months ago), it was taught that Jesus preached that he came to divide families. But it is completely out of context. It is so sad. I have young adult kids in there now who unfortunately have disconnected from me, and that disconnect includes my side of the family, especially our little children (because I'm not letting them anywhere near the sect's influence). They are very likely to grow up without knowing their sisters.I… Read more »
Debby, Seeking, and Anons, thanks for the feedback. I'm glad you find the article encouraging. Anytime slaves escape from slavery, there is bound to be an adjustment period of learning how to think and act independently.
I hope everyone will stick with it and truly seek God's direction and will for your life. Trust him with your next steps, act Christlike in every decision, and he won't let you down.
God bless!
Im just curious after reading everything for anyone who has been baptized and then left if you didn't show up for sunday worship did they call you or come to your house? The preacher/teacher who moved here in erie pa started that and i had never seen anything like that before them and it kinda creeped me out honestly it wasnt done to me but to my mom it was several times and she was just sick or taking care of my dad because they are older and he is in poor health but she had to explain herself on… Read more »
To raised in the church-in the time that I was with the group (21 years) that was the standard practice. But, as I told one of the Anon's just recently, it was done with another motive as the guise. Ones who didn't show for class, Personal Work, worship, etc were called or visited, under the guise of making sure they were ok. To someone new, or to an outsider, it would appear to be an act of love and concern for your welfare. But the fact is, unless you called and let someone know you were going to be missing… Read more »
Never heard of such a thing. Our church if someone is ill and you go visit it would be to take some hot soup or casserole or flowers depending on what was wrong or if not contagious to help out. As I age there is a lot of age related illnesses and there is always someone who would ENJOY a phone call or visit or Card,etc
Are you saying that this happened in the last 6 months since the new preacher n wife got there?
I am not referring to Stanton Churches but both of the non Church of Christ churches I have belonged to over the years. Normal healthy churches do not participate in the unhealthy behavior Debby was referring to above.
In Tacoma, it became that the visits were to keep reminding you to "push the flesh". When I was missing a lot this would be the crux of the visits and would try to make me feel I was in sin. I'd ask if they could just come and share with me what I missed from the classes and the preacher from the south said they could't do that. One night I made it to class and another brother was sick that night. He has been in since around 1980. i Shared with him what we talked about in class… Read more »
If anyone can, listen to the talk called, "Don't forget them in the valley". It is exactly on these points. The author of the talk not only says that he started a class to help people who were behind and/or missed classes, but, also, admits that he doesn't have the heart nor mind to do things for people. The really bad part about it is he's an Evangelist and while he was in Tacoma I tried to bring to him how that this congregation was ignoring people who were in the valley he just basically called me a busy body… Read more »
They did this to me one time.. I got an email asking if everything was OK when I wasn't there 5 minutes before start time .. I ignored it.. I'd rater answer to God than a big minded man.. Life goes in on and I'm not going to hell.. Tired of their nosey ways.. Their concern was nosiness only.. Not about me at all
@Debby stevens that is exactly what's going on here to concerned they sometimes do that but as Debby said its almost like a stake out honestly like they bring a casserole to have an excuse to come in and see whats going on and what not @M long its been going on more then 6 months the current precher and teacher moved here when I was 14 and im 28 now and I'd say this started happened maybe about 3-4 years ago and I always felt something wasnt right about it just seemed strange to me but really never had… Read more »
Raised, sorry to hear that your concerns were ignored particularly by people you care about. However, you must understand that they will defend other leaders in the church as they too would expect other leaders to side with them in personal judgments they turn into rules. I would think the visiting of people who miss is more prevalent in smaller congregations because it makes the lack of growth obvious and services will be more dead than usual, plus it could have been that a preacher was ready to reprove publicly and they were prepared for that and the person is… Read more »
I understand completely and apperciate everyones support it helps so much to know you're not alone in situations like this…I dont believe in god and jesus and what not but i do identify as a spiritualist my belief system is very simiular to the native american beliefs and my faith in what I personally practice is very strong and very much alive. Thank you for helping me understand their actions a little more I very much appreciate it!!
Do you mean you were raised in Stanton? Mercies church?
Yes i was raised in meries churches from when i was about 2 till I was 18…i wasnt in the actual stanton one it was a different state but same cult ive met DS GP and TC and many many others numerous times ive been out for 10 years now tho
Glad you are out and pass the word about the blog to as many as you can. Best wishes
Thank you very much!! and I have been and plan to keep on sharing! =)
Raised, please pass the word around Erie. The new preacher n wife there really worked hard to stifle it and me here in SA. I am sure they'll aim to do the same there.
@MLong- how dare you. don't you DARE, speak about the new preacher n wife like that EVER. you do NOT know them like you think you do. don't spread LIES about them and dont YOU DARE tell people to spread lies about them either. keep your petty comments and hate to YOURSELF and give people the chance to form THEIR OWN opinion of the new preacher n wife for themselves. this is coming from a person who knows them more than you've ever known them. and don't you dare for a second EVIL SURMISE their intentions of what they're gonna… Read more »
Anon the preacher and his wife taught when I left that people should not search for answers about the church on the internet. OBVIOUSLY you are in here because you heard about the blog. Don't you think that everyone deserves the same chance to know for themselves? And the one evil surmising is YOU. As is typical of members there. Look at what I wrote again. I did not ask for anyone to say anything about them. I simply gave my experience in my perspective about them and their treatment of me, and I asked Raised to get the word… Read more »
Anon 6:57 – Those are some pretty hard words for someone who doesn’t have the courage to put their name here. I believe it’s called “Lukewarm” in the scriptures, as it is apparent that is what you are, reading AND posting on this blog AND standing up for the “church” on the other hand. I do believe there are some with good hearts that are in that group, but I also know that the longer someone is put in a teaching/preaching position, they will eventually become corrupted by pride and power. These “good hearts” are trained to NEVER listen to… Read more »
@MLong – i am currently not part of the church but i do know that that specific preacher n wife aren't who you say they are. how are you going to bash them for "love-bombing" and say that they "stifle" the church, when youre going to turn around and say "i hope that preacher gets out, he has so much potential."so are you saying that you only dislike them because they are part of the church? what's your stance on them?@debbystevens- i would gladly put my name on here but i choose not to due to the fact that if… Read more »
Just to let you know Anonymous Jan 17 12:10 PM I share your feelings and support them. I totally understand why you have to run under the Anon name. Not to understand this is blindness on their part.
Anon 1210 If you read paragraph 2 of Donna's comment above I think that describes what I think of them. I don't know if u are young or have a family. But JG and LG used their close relationship with us against us. Our kids are best friends. That hurt. At the time of JGs teaching I had only spoken about leaving to those in my home. THE SAME Day I said I was leaving my daughter was convinced to move in with them. She's young and I'm sure she was upset I was leaving. We needed help as a… Read more »
Anon At 12:10: I guess I'm a little confused-I don't remember telling you that you shouldn't post anonymously!?! I understand that ones have a reason to do so, and that's their right. But I believe that Donna was making the point that Merie's group actively discourages ones from being on this blog, let alone read it. And then to post anonymously proves that very point-why the anonymity if it's ok to be in Merie's group AND be on this blog?And what did M. Long say against the new preacher and his wife, except to say that they, too, teach against… Read more »
Well hello Concerned/Dianne! Glad to see you are still here!
M Long 3:50- i do not have a family, i am a young one. How did JG and LG use their close relationship with you against you? I'm just curious, you don't need to answer if you do not want to. and i do not think that i'm ready to post my name on here yet.
Anon 903,part of why you may not understand the issue may be that you're not a parent yet. 🙂 and I've already left the background to that situation in other places on this blog. I'd like to leave it alone at this point. I am hoping in time I can let it go.Well I've done my best to answer your questions. Will you answer mine? Why are you on this blog? Are there any things based on your experience and the experiences of others that resonate with you, that you "get"? Did you have a chance to look at Merie's… Read more »
where r u attending now.
I attend Bulverde COC now. I went to several but one thing hubby and I were looking for were elders that were like what is described in the Bible. We found them there. After hearing about elders for 10 years and how there weren't any in Merie's church, we needed that. Godly men who together make decisions. If you're from SA you know how long some after class meetings can be. Well with elders much of that is decided. No wasting time hearing everyone's opinion and people going off subject. It is much more orderly, the services run smoothly, and… Read more »
Mlong 6:20- i understand everything youre saying. and to answer your question about why i'm on this blog- there was teaching put out against this blog and i was too curious about why so many people were against it and why it was taught against. so i found the blog after like 10 minutes of googling different church of christ names and then some of the articles were really interesting to read about and some of the comments are interesting (and honestly some are alittle offensive to me). But yes i did grow up in the church. and i do… Read more »
Anon 901, actually I absolutely get what you're saying. I think that is a big reason why so many of us left. We didn't want to base our salvation on rules (judgements) that came from the conscience of one or a few people at the top. The Bible is amazingly clear on the liberty we have in this area yet Merie's church is set on making rules for people. For example, just this May they concluded that teens shouldn't have a phone. Now as a parent, I should make that decision, knowing that it's gonna take time and effort to… Read more »
M. Long, I agree! The reason many of us left was because we were tired of being bullied-oops! I mean rebuked-because we exercised our consciences. We were tired of more rules to memorize and follow, with no real understandings or scriptures to support them.For example, women having to wear hose/socks, even on "personal work". Listen to the tapes of the May meeting for that decision (judgment). Not one scripture was given to support it, just things like "it's a finished look", "more polished", etc. Really? I not only have to follow that, but enforce it with my teenage girl? Especially… Read more »
I must agree.. I would of probably stayed too but all of this was way too Physcotic for me.. Old people making old minded rules of things in their own heads which were totally crazy.. I was out of there because of all this stuff.. I don't have enough fear in me to care about something so ridiculous as to all that pettiness.. It's just simply out of control to the point it disgusts me.. in 20 years from now if they're all still around I cannot even imagine the church still being like this.. Because people will not carry… Read more »
Anon yay for you and watching animal planet! 🙂 Debby, you may have hit on my biggest pet peeve in Merie's church! I absolutely refused to wear pantyhose! I rarely bought my kids pantyhose! They are a torturous invention. Did you know they weren't even invented till 1959 and sales went from 200 million to over 600 million between 1968 and 1969? That's right! The same time that Merie was starting her church, pantyhose were "en vogue"! So for 50 years now because pantyhose were "in" during Merie's time, the ladies in her church still wear them because she said… Read more »
One question to ask about any judgements is :"do you have a scripture for that or is it a heresy?" The "judgements" I was given were only for me and not the whole congregation; example one Sunday it was cold so I wore my suit jacket through the morning Bible study and the tow truck preacher then mandated that I "give my best" to God every Sunday morning class from then on and wear my suit jacket and don't look around to see if others are wearing their jackets, and it didn't matter if it was hot. Then one day… Read more »
"But take television and movies as an example. Just forbidden across the board"
There was a May Week where it was being discussed if it was okay to show Disney films during baby sitting. A teacher made the statement of, "Would you take counseling from any Christian who watches tv?". Wasn't even refuted by anybody. I believe because people are split on this and nobody wanted to add to it in either way.
"The church in Phoenix stopped using the Bible very quickly after the preacher from Albuquerque took over" We all know how dangerous this is. Whenever you hear that someone has "gone off" it is because of a lack of study. I'm not say this 3-4 hours a night, but that our minds stay on the things of God. I have been taking time just to read books/chapters of the bible or old COC books. And, what is interesting is how that we all were able to come away from there because of our studies and knowing the scriptures. You can,… Read more »
Agreed. One of the last sermons I heard from the preacher from Albuquerque he used zero scriptures for the two hour sermon. He just went on and on about some brother at the may meeting said something that moved him emotionally, he did not name the brother, nor what was said, nor how he was moved, just oh my how much it moved him. I left wondering what was that about? How does one become a preacher in the SCOC? What I saw repeatedly was the man who gave free tow truck repair of free home repair to the teacher… Read more »
First I can’t imagine a monotone two hour sermon saying nothing and secondly can’t imagine going back week after week to be tortured with these sermons? However, I have been studying cults and cult like leader wannabes and it all sounds like a bad movie. Get professional help to get over the damage they have done . Not everyone will be able to move on without professional mental help. If unable to do so talk to your doctors for a referral for help or find healthy outsiders who will listen and not judge you. So sorry there is so much… Read more »
One time a visiting preacher, I believe during Tacoma's May Week, was going on, in a talk, how he was moved over how well the cabinet's contents were so organized at the brother's house where he stayed,
Really??!! This is edifying or helping out you brethren how?
Professional mental counselors suggest joining a support group like AA or NA but this blog serve a support group to many. You can't imagine a monotone two hour sermon and continued attendance but in a study of cult groups you will find exactly that. Not all cults are bible based or religious in nature there are political cults, sports cults, educational cults, and other types that all use similar recruitment and retention methods. Anyone can be recruited into a cult and deceived into accepting abuse as normal behavior. Patty Hearst was the daughter of millionaire newspaper man and she got… Read more »
You know seeing annoymous's comments made me want to come outta the shadows and post as my true self, I was before commenting as raised in the church since they have taken over I have seen changes in my mom that I do not like what so ever I personally do not know these people as i refuse to be apart of this cult any longer and that is exactly what it is a CULT I'd think twice about pointing your finger at others and I WILL spread the word about the TRUTH in any way i possibly can to… Read more »
RJ hello and welcome. I sighed when I saw you posting under your real name. They'll come after you. On a good note, it's likely you may have done your mom a favor. My older ones were treated with favor because I left and they stayed. Some of the rules I was upset about, such as travel, were suddenly relaxed. And even though just earlier in the year we had been "counseled" that I shouldn't leave them with their member dad to travel for work with my husband, their dad suddenly became a great option for them to live with… Read more »
Thank you so much for your kind words! And I honestly don't really worry to much about them anymore one thing about being raised the way I was I am insanely head strong and out spoken and they all know that about me I never conformed to their teachings and rules I always fought back against them no matter the consequences and although my mom is a member my dad is not and never has been and him and my brother will back me up in any way possible if any repercussions from me posting as my real self and… Read more »
RJ what a brave thing to do! Again, welcome to the blog! When I first left the group, I joined a blog that was for those who had left the church of Christ, especially Merie's group.It was difficult to be on that blog because of the anger and hatred that was there, most of it from those who were raised in the group. When I heard the things that were done to them, it made me cry and it made me very angry as well!But that blog really opened my eyes to the effect that the group has on children,… Read more »
Thank you so much! And I'm sure that would be hard I've had a bard time coming to terms with the things that happened to me as a child I dont wanna say im so much bitter or anything because being raised the way I was for so long has taught me to appetciate the little things in life that so many take for granted like music and friendships and being able to go see a movie or to even do something as simple as date i apperciate those things so much more then the average person does because I… Read more »
It is sad but the SCOC was training ground for life. Oppression is part of religion and part of life, not an enjoyable part but something that has to be endured. We have a new boss at work and his management style is oppression with threats and intimidation but we stood up to him with threats of lawsuit over hostile work environment and his threats have stopped. Another area of my life is with the Arizona dept of corrections and with a new captain at the prison I minister at the restrictions imposed are on the verge of cruel and… Read more »
Thank you Donna You described the cult so well as a "prison" of fear'Those who escape are posting here. BUT there are still Concerned prison guards looking for them. This blog has begun a tunnel to the truth and little by little the prisoners are escaping. Thank you Kevin for digging the tunnel for these children and Thank you Donna for showing others what is outside the prison.I lost some one long ago to the overwhelming faer the Wardens of COC put upon my family members, through their Concerned deputies.But two did escape but only through the barbed-wire of family… Read more »
https://youtu.be/Q_r47Xhkf20. This song has been an inspiration for me. This is what I want for all those to experience whether still in SCOC or those having escaped. KF I feel your pain. Kevin, thanks for continuing this blog.
RJ, thanks for joining the conversation…and under your real name. That's awesome. I hope some of the articles and comments here have been helpful. Thanks again to Donna, Debby, M Long, and others for being so welcoming when my time gets taken away from the blog. I honestly couldn't keep it up, and it wouldn't be as meaningful without it being a community effort. Donna, great song! I got to see them in concert several years ago. I can tell by their lyrics they are on fire to live like Jesus, something I have always found lacking in the cult.… Read more »
Repent means simply to turn away and is an act of wisdom. In Proverbs 1:23 wisdom commands us to repent when reproved and wisdom will fill us with its spirit. Those who repent when reproved have the fear of God in them and you have a foundation to teach righteousness upon. Some however will not repent when reproved but will, when their conscience is stained, take refuge in alcohol, narcotics, food, work, or any other distraction they can find. When you see a man who is an alcoholic, a drug addict, a glutton, a workaholic you are seeing a person… Read more »
RJ Simmons good for you.
Thank you!
Hey RJ As long as you keep moving forward, what's behind you will stay behind you. They can't escape their own prison. Others will follow this path to truth about the cult. There's alot more light on the outside.
You're breathing fresh air now , instead of some old-lady's musty words of obedience and evil.
Stay Strong
Kevin I try to comment where it helps. But you havent convinced me any further.. 🙂
Thank you to everyone for your kind and welcoming words!
This is all kind of pathetic. Don't ask me why, it just is.
Well that is certainly an encouraging post. You could probably give a sermon like that in the SCOC just add "Merie said" and you would be just like the teaching preachers. Your pickle called and said they are missing their bump.
Sorry, but i don't have a pickle. So the joke is on you. I'm not part of the SCOC, quit stereotyping everyone who thinks this bog is stupid.
Anon 11:44 pathetic SV paid preachers word.
The superiority complex, that is the arrogant, view all others as inferiors and are full of insults, put downs, and are not worthy of anyone's time. Resist these arrogant by not answering them a word. Christ taught us all to be equals and equity is a great virtue to learn. With equity not only will you treat all others as equals but when reasoning out decisions you will give equal consideration to all out comes. You might succeed so prepare for success, you might fail so prepare for failure, you might be right and you might be wrong be prepared… Read more »
anon 6:11- Ok, that makes no sense whatsoever.
I remember the first scientology movie I watched–Going Clear. I thought what is wrong with these people? How do they believe all this stuff and disconnect from their families for it? Even as I was in the midst of Merie's church, I judged others for their lack of common sense. But even as I judged, the seeds of doubt and similarities were being planted. So Anon, it may be a bit pathetic, but if you're on here it's likely you are a part of all that either directly or have people you love in it. So there's some of that… Read more »
Anonoy -Mousey 6:11 I don't know of other preachers who profess thhe sayings of Christ who do not announce their own names. Seems rather plagerous and ungenuine. Most post signs or directories at their churches. They do not hide from the world outside.With alll the You Mights and You might that you mentioned . Did you ever think You might fails Are you prppared for it? You might be wrong. Are you prepared to accept it? You might be able to help yourself, but you certainly cannot help others. You are beyond help yourself. Helpless and hopeless just as the… Read more »
For a self professed atheist you sure have a lot of knowledge about Christian preachers and Christian churches, or maybe your lying to make yourself look better in the eyes of the Christians who read this blog? I think you are an imposter, a fake, a fraud, a charlatan. I think you just like attention, so let me say God loves you KF, he sent his son to die on the cross for you, that you might have redemption through his blood. I will be praying for you that God works in your life to help you believe the truth.
"This is all kind of pathetic. Don't ask me why, it just is." Christianity is deeper than the majority of the world thinks it is. Right now most of the religious world believe that we are saved by faith only. It goes deeper than that. Christianity is a lifestyle and those who seek it truthfully let it sink into their hearts and lives. Every waking breath is about pleasing and glorifying God by living true Christianity. When we let go of everything else in this world that is carnality to surrender to spirituality it goes deep. We trust the church… Read more »
Well said, Lynn. I might add that Merie's foundation is the teachings from the mainstream Churches from the bible so that is why most of what she taught is correct. It was when she started her own churches and added all the rules that it was wrong.
To the little Mousey preacher In this blog there are truths about you but never truths from you. You are no longer a leader, just a speaker. Your followers are turning away as they hear about your lies and abuses. These are the people recieving redemption, by their own sacrafices of breaking relationships that your cult has poisoned..Please Mr Pathetic Preacher, Do Not pray for me, Your thoughts and actions, I have already experienced only did me and my family harm. Instead consider the aura of Karma. I find it rather redeeming beyond prayers. Do bad, Bad things will happen.… Read more »
Back at cha KF……
KF- I'm not a preacher thank you very much. But obviously you are trying to be one. So look at who's pathetic now. You sound JUST LIKE the scoc preachers, if not, you sound worse. So please, for the sake of you and everyone else, just stop. and thank you CONCERNED
KF I respect that at least you have bared the truth about your beliefs, or lack thereof. I think it's better than most who profess Christianity and then behave otherwise, following a woman named Merie Weiss and HER church instead of Christ and HIS. You're the kind of guy who one day if he ever came to want Christ in his life (the right way) you'd probably be very convicted in it. I'm sorry for how Merie's teachings affected your family and destroyed it. If you don't mind I will keep you and your family in my prayers and hope… Read more »
M Long- Pleas explain what you mean when you say, "I am sure she is paying for it now…"
Because if I'm not mistaken, that sounds pretty bitter to me.
If that sounds bitter to you, then every teaching at her church must be bitter to you also. After all, that's how they speak of and condemn everyone else. When I left and then my husband did too, he was sent damning scriptures from JG, and I was threatened with withdrawal. Did that mean he was bitter? The Bible says those at the top will be held to a higher standard and judgment. Given that Merie did all she could to have power over people, even if it meant the destruction of families (which God created), then she too is… Read more »
M Long- Like I said before, I am not part of the SCOC. So please do not put me in that group. You make all of the christians sound so terrible and honestly I think that you know deep down the ones you talk about aren't bad people. You just have a problem with pride and anger.
M Long, I've just gotta say you sure do throw the judgements around with sureness and clarity. Actually you sound just like one of the teachers in the churches of Christ you came out of. Whats the deal?
So you went from "bitter" to "proud" and "angry". Be careful, you may be using up most of the negative vocabulary Merie's church uses on people who disagree with them. I doubt you're not a member, because you sure stand up for Merie's teachings. An in-the-closet member, perhaps?Well, whatever negative term you want to use is up to you. For the sake of others on here, let me be clear. What you people call bitter, many of us call LOVE. Love for those who disconnected from us and who our hearts break for. A member there is taught to think… Read more »
To Anon at 11:32 and 11:43For someone who claims they are not with Merie's group, you sure speak like one! You just employed one of their tactics they use to silence people-turn it around on the person speaking the truth! Instead of addressing the issue, or giving facts to support what you are saying, you attack the individual personally!The other thing that is a dead give away is how you wrote "churches of Christ". That's exactly how someone in the group writes that phrase. 🙂The thing is, if you are with Merie's group, that's ok! M. Long and myself have… Read more »
M. Long, well said! While I was in the group I, too, noticed a profound lack of natural love and affection.For example, I never heard anyone apologize for things they did that were wrong. I don't mean sin, (but an apology along with a confession isn't a bad thing either!) I mean when they do something wrong. The whole reason God sent his Son to die as he did, was for reconciliation! To heal and fix the relationship between us and Him. And one of the outcomes of being in a loving relationship with God and Christ, is that we… Read more »
Debbie and M Long: Listen to yourselves. You guys sound like the very people you are putting in hell.
Sure Anon, if you say so.
Debby, great point about reconciliation. I learned much more about topics as that and grace once I left the sect. Interestingly the act of publicly confessing every tiny mistake really erodes the depth of a true confession. Suddenly being impatient and yelling at your toddler is equal to a betrayal in a relationship. And they are treated many times that way. While we were taught a little about reconciliation, the constant barrage of insignificant confessions just erodes the whole process and makes forgiveness less meaningful. As another writer said here once, it becomes just a checkmark on a checklist.
Anon at 10:15: There you go again! 🙂
reconcile – verb
restore friendly relations between.
Matthew 5:23-24 Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee; Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.
Everyone we need to love bomb KF. He needs to know that Jesus loves him. How does he know the bible is a book of wisdom if he does not believe it? Maybe he secretly does believe in the Bible and God and Jesus? Jesus loves you KF!
Anon 10:15 are you also anon 11:32 and 11:43? If so, you say you are not a member okay. But do you believe Meries cult is the one and only church? Merie would be condemned to hell by her very own teaching to answer you or another anon question up above. That is crystal clear. M Long and Debby’s comments have been spot on pointing out facts about this cult. Funny as I tell my wife they all can condemn everyone outside of there cult but can’t handle criticism of how off they are, not even on one point.
Nope
I tried telling them and it was referred to as an "attack" on the church and the members. Never once was what was said brought out. Only that it was an "attack". What happened to being easily entreated?
As I said before . Your ammunition has gotten wet, your Love bombs are ddd -duds, your calls for alarm are not being listened to. You are losing your strength and are dying a slow death from the cancer of evil inside you. Deceptions only last so long as people are blind to the truth, and do not see the real world for what it is. Your love bombimng has only blown families apart and letaves your members in large clousd of toxic beliefs about themseleves and others. The SCOC cult is failing and I am glad to see that… Read more »
We are on vacation and had to go to a laundromat in Parker Az and right across the street a Church of Christ. I could not help wondering g what goes on in this church
That one's not part of the sect Jo.
I worked with a man 45 years old and he got arrested one night for DUI. While in jail they took his DNA and two months later he got a knock on his door from the state of Massachusetts suing him for back child support. He made a baby with a woman when they were both nineteen and then he took off for Arizona leaving her and the baby behind, she went on welfare for the next eighteen years and the state wants 120,000 from him. Some men in the SCOC have created babies and then abandoned both their children… Read more »
I paid child support and alimony for eighteen years and did it willingly because of the example of Paul the Apostle: when he was given responsibilities to fulfill by God he fulfilled them willingly. Three times over the course of those eighteen years my ex wife said she needed more money so I was the one to file for the increase of the child support, child support is not set in stone and as the children grow older their financial needs increase as well. I at the same time as I filled for child support on myself I also set… Read more »