Thank you so much for sharing your heart, Donna. Keep up the good work as you document your growth in Christ. So many people need to hear your authenticity. I’m a writer. I’ve done some videos for business, but not for this topic, yet. But the video medium is absolutely essential to reach the next generation with the truth of what Stanton is all about.
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While masturbation is definitely a sin, Stanton's approach makes the cure worse than the disease. By telling kids they'll lose their mind, the kids will never confide, and if they don't confide in adults, it's very hard to overcome alone. It is a very dangerous sin, but harsh and severe punishment is rarely effective to drive it out. I'm pretty sure every young boy ever raised in Stanton dealt with masturbation at one time or another. I'd be shocked to learn any boys existed who never masturbated once. It should not be common, and it wasn't 100 years ago, but… Read more »
Though I was no teacher, I took some pretty harsh measures myself at times, simply thinking it was what my teachers would do. Once, a dear friend from childhood asked me for a ride to a funeral of a dear friend of ours that had passed away from a drug overdose in Stanton. I wanted to, but remembered the preacher had said we don't have anything to do with him, as he is a troublemaker. So, I declined, after a painstaking battle in my conscience. I wanted to give my friend a ride, but I didn't want to offend my… Read more »
To "Another Country…" Why on earth would you choose to judge/condemn Donna when she has a contrite heart, confessed her sins and has fully repented? Do you think you are greater than God in casting judgment against a child of God who has already been forgiven by Him? If you don't forgive neither shall your sins be forgiven you. (Matthew 6:15) – be warned, Jesus said that.
You were encouraged, like many of us, to use a rod of pride when teaching others. Take the rod of anger, or the rod of mercilessness, and beat the sin out of others, even when you are guilty of the same thing yourself. Telling a pregnant woman to go against medical advice and "push the flesh" and climb stairs and endanger the unborn child was merciless. It is the sign of a predatory leader to make unreasonable demands upon others and then guilt trip them when they fail. You have a physical handicap like a bad back? You need to… Read more »
Donna was one of the worst of the unjust judges.
That is a huge problem with the church. They make your "pushing the flesh" have more power than Matt. 25:31-46. We had an elderly woman who was having trouble making it and heard that she eventually quit coming because of the "pushing the flesh" tactics. In another congregation a man had broken his leg and they were doing the same to him about "pushing" himself. They have taken they power away from Matt 25 and "bearing one another's burdens" by removing themselves from the responsibility of practicing those scriptures to putting it on to those who need the help. This… Read more »
They are making "pushing the flesh" more of a sin than the fact that they are NOT exercising the scriptures they are supposed to. Another thing they like to do is make new laws that they consider sin. I.e., It was said in a round about way in a sermon that not letting any other member just show up at your house without notice is a sin. It was a sermon about "men of God" and was said that anybody who doesn't let people do that to them is NOT a man of God. So, in order to not be… Read more »
Another Country Heard from: were you in a congregation I was in? Or did you get that opinion from someone else.? I will admit I was unjust, but to say I was the worst- not so sure. I’m not going to defend myself, but I really didn’t have much to do with people outside of our local congregations, like counselors did.
Donna B. I never heard any judgements that came from you at all. Did you ever have a voice at May meetings? You admitted and confessed your sins. Many many leaders in Merie’s cult need to acknowledge their wrongs. Hmm did Merie confess her sins and all the lives and families she negatively affected by her off judgements?
I just came across this blog and find it very interesting. I have been out going on 23 yrs. and wished there would have been such a venue to tap into. I agree with Donna,and admire her honesty and self assessment. I will say she was not one of the worst.
It is called manipulation through guilt.
Concerned outsider. You are exactly correct. When I preached the main preacher MM was visiting Boise. He called me on a Saturday night as I was completing my lesson to not ask but tell me to rebuke one publicly for a sin they were considering to commit. I disagreed thinking since he new all the facts he should do it when he returned back to Portland. That’s when he began to use manipulation to get me to do something that even went against my own conscience. He wanted me to do so in a manner that was harsh and unmerciful.… Read more »
I will never fathom the reason of the rush to judgement to rebuke another child of God. It goes through my head that whatever we do to each other is done to a child of God. This is David's response when his men said to kill the sleeping Saul – 1 Samuel 24:6 And he said unto his men, The Lord forbid that I should do this thing unto my master, the Lord's anointed, to stretch forth mine hand against him, seeing he is the anointed of the Lord. The best thing they could have done with that sister was… Read more »
Hey Donna, I am trying to find an application for proverbs 26:2 As the bird by wandering, as the swallow by flying, so the curse causeless shall not come. I observed that curses start out slowly, step by step, then as they gain momentum they take flight like a bird and come much more quickly and cover ground at a fast rate, kind of like a little leaven leavens the whole lump allow something in one area of life and it quickly spreads to every area of life like birds spread to every area of the world. I was trying… Read more »
AnonymousFebruary 16, 2019 at 11:59 AM I'm sure Donna has a good answer, but before she responds, Matthew Henry had a good commentary on it, and his commentary, since it was written over 400 years ago, is a lot better than most of those today, where people are influenced by television, drugs, and porn. They rarely realize how their intellect is perverted, and many of the leaders in Stanton believe they are God's anointed on earth, out of 7.5 billion humans. A very pleasing and flattering thought, particularly to the ego, but pride goes before the fall. Henry's commentary on… Read more »
Interesting let me ask a follow up question proverbs 10:9 says that he that perverteth his ways shall be known and androgynous behaviors is one way that a perversion is manifested. Having both male and female traits in the same person is androgynous like men having long hair like a woman, or women having shaved head like a man; therefore the Christians in Corinth being androgynous in appearance were they manifesting a perversion?
AnonymousFebruary 18, 2019 at 10:07 PM Androgynous is no where in the Bible, and God condemns sin, not the mannerisms and idiosyncrasies humans manifest. This is a huge problem in Stanton and in psychiatry. Both try to diagnose problems where none exist according to God's word. Stanton constantly will say people have lost their mind, and has been proven wrong time and again. They are also huge on pointing out effeminate mannerisms, and saying this is a result of uncleanness. Well, every man in there has been unclean, with few exceptions, so why don't they all have effeminate mannerisms? Of… Read more »
AnonymousFebruary 18, 2019 at 10:07 PM An interesting query, and where it's motivations come from would be nice to know. Exhibiting male and female characteristics when one is the opposite sex is a very subjective issue. Does everyone who sins automatically display characteristics of the opposite sex? No, they don't. This passage you ask about is talking about sin will not be hidden, it will be revealed. How you thought about androgyny is the first I've ever heard that scripture applied that way in my entire life, and I've never heard of any Christian in world history, including Kellogg who… Read more »
Thank you Donna for your insight. Let me ask you about the rule of three. In symbology 3 is equated with truth. If something happens once it is dismissed as an accident, if it happens twice it is dismissed as a coincidence, but if something happens three times it is a certainty, a truth. In Matthew 26:36 it mentions Christ prayed the same prayer three times, this shows not vain repetitious prayer but sincere desire on the part of Christ, in Acts 11:10 Peter recounts the vision he had recieved three times about allowing the gentiles into Christianity, three times… Read more »
Hullo again Arizona, I thought that was you. You go away for awhile, and then show up as anonymous, pick a random, out of the way verse in the Bible, put a psychiatric spin on it that no one in credible church history has heard of, and come back again, like Simon the Sorcerer, and oh, you are even discussing mystic symbolism, of the number 3, on your latest comment, which is associated with astrology and witchcraft. Christ said not to bother about signs and symbols, but according to you, it's of utmost importance. I'll go with Christ on that… Read more »
You have a negative perspective on life Mr. Ryan.
Bearing false witness is pretty negative, Arizona. Not too many positives about it.
Everybody suffers in this life, some take a negative perspective and some take a positive perspective about their suffering. Some build monuments or tabernacles to their suffering to worship themselves as an idols, such as a narcissist.
'No one can give you peace, but yourself' Ralph Waldo Emerson 'When I do good, I feel good, and when I do bad, I feel bad, that is my religion'Abraham Lincoln "[T]here is no truth more thoroughly established, than that there exists . . . an indissoluble union between virtue and happiness." George Washington "The diminution of public virtue is usually attended with that of public happiness, and the public liberty will not long survive the total extinction of morals."Samuel Adams There is no greater threat to individual happiness than individual sins. We have met the enemy, and the enemy… Read more »
Anon 7:32 I really appreciate people who want to hold an intelligent conversation, being honest and straightforward about their questions. I would rather not play word games on this blog. If you would like to speak with me you can get my phone number from Kevin.
Not word games Donna. You have a single source of knowledge and wisdom, namely the Bible verses others who are eclectic and use any and every source of anykind for the knowledge they reason from including fairy tales. Joseph Smith the founder of the mormon religion was an eclectic writing his book of mormon from sources such as captian hook, the KJV of the bible and his own imagination. Single mindedness is a wisdom which you posses and others lack. Your position on the SCOC shows the same single mindedness 100 percent acceptance or 100 percent rejection unlike others who… Read more »
Paul alternately praised and denounced the Pharisees based on their adherence to scripture, Sun Devil. I don't think you'll mind that term since your state has a college team named the Sun Devils, and you bear false witness frequently, like the Devil, and you are from a hot state.
Montesquieu, very true about men showing emotions seems to be a no no within the cult specifically if they are giving a lesson. I can speak for Portland how MM handled one SB who would give s passionate lesson sometimes crying. MM told me he would have to control his emotions if he was to preach again. This was two to three years ago. SB is still not preaching or giving talks.
Interesting, Craig. I noticed that for the longest. In remembering when I got a call about 2 months after my withdrawal from TC, and, overwhelmed with emotion at how I'd been cut off from my family and the church, yours truly started crying. Well, that apparently was too much for him. My withdrawal turned into an excommunication, and it's now going on 11 years later. Note to self, do not cry when describing your pain at being unjustly withdrawn from to the evangelist. It may appear to be effeminacy, which smacks of homosexuality to them. Instead, pretend like you are… Read more »
Oh, and before I forget, let's consider the Stanton saying of 'So and so is not happy'. There are quite a few people who look on Sunday morning at Stanton's worship as if they are at Aunt Polly or Uncle Elmer's funeral. How do you determine if someone is happy or not, and exactly what has that got to do with salvation? Was Elijah happy when Jezebel threatened his life? Sounded to me like he wanted to die, from what I gather. Does anyone imagine he looked particularly happy constantly at that time? But, Stanton would say, 'ah, he doesn't… Read more »
I have heard Pastor Tim and even Pastor Chris show emotion during a sermon. Remember the pastors are real people and so
Something may touch their heart just as it does ours in a sermon.
When you as the preacher or teacher is just stoic delivering a sermon I am sorry but I would go to sleep. I like personally a personal story mixed in with the sermon. Heaven forbid you would ever hear someone say Amen during your sermons. Or Hallelujahs!
Montesquieu: To be fair TC's judgment was not based on your emotional exchange but rather on the fact withdraw did not keep you quiet when you visited their assembly. So now you are not permitted to enter their midst.
Concerned, that is partially true. He came less than a year after my withdrawal, and the only reason he gave why my withdrawal was correct was that I needed to be quiet and listen. That may work with a 10 year old, but not a grown man. God never expected any Christian to follow another simply because they say be quiet and listen. You'll never find that example set by any Godly leader in the entire Bible. They always gave reasons, and that is what Stanton and TC failed to do. They couldn't refute the statement I made, that was… Read more »
Why did you stay out for 4 years? What was wrong with your withdraw?
Thank you for your concern and questions, Concerned. On September 21st, 2008, in the Sunday Evening Bible Class, I was formally withdrawn from at the end of it. I had been threatened multiple times in private that I would be withdrawn from if I didn't silence myself, and I simply was not going to be quiet. As mentioned before, there had been four issues brought to the issue of the Preacher. His response was to suspect some sort of coup was going on, and to try and silence me. That was not my intent at all. Further, another preacher had… Read more »
The other charge of 'Walking disorderly' was in Thessalonians, and clearly talks about sponging off others and being a busy body. Well, I didn't sponge off anyone, had given generously, and loaned out money as well. I owed no one anything. So, according to the Biblical definition, I was no disorderly walker. But, Stanton had a different definition. According to them, walking disorderly means disagreeing with your teachers. They said I disagreed disagreeably, as if you can disagree with teachers agreeably. But that's nonsense, as no one has ever disagreed with their teachers, agreeably or disagreeably, in Stanton and survived… Read more »
AnonymousFebruary 23, 2019 at 7:35 AM Obviously, Stanton never learns. You haven't learned from them at all. Christ ripped the Pharisees not for them upholding the moral law, for anyone who sins needs to repent. But, he ripped them because there was no repentance in their doctrine. By taking hope away from sinners, they made sinners two fold more the child of hell than themselves. Matt 23: Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.… Read more »
Like vipers, they sit in the shadows, won't identify themselves, but hurl the sharpest daggers at others. Just like the Pharisees of old, Anonymous. Thank you for resurrecting the old Pharisee. We do need modern day representations. It doesn't matter how much sorrow a sinner has experienced, how much they've turned from their path. No, Stanton must ensure that justice must be done. Like Javert from Les Miserables, who follows an escaped convict who goes on to become a Mayor and a respectable citizen. Javert eventually committed suicide, when that convict, Valjean, forgave him in the French Revolution when Javert… Read more »
Stanton is up to their old tricks. They believe they are God, and they will intercept the desperate pleas for mercy from sin-sick sinners who pour them up to God, and use them as weapons to control and enslave those sinners under their dominion. The entire purpose for rebuke and church discipline was chastisement makes chaste. However, in Stanton, sins are weapons to hold people down for the rest of their lives, and to exalt oneself. You see, in Stanton, you get bonus points for exposing others sins and hiding your own. You would think, if you were a leader… Read more »
Notice how, like cockroaches and rats, Stanton always attacks from the shadows. They haven't got the courage to publicly identify themselves, by name or with identifying remarks. Since courage is the first virtue, and without that the rest are impossible, this is why Stanton has such huge issues. But holding onto others sins like a bulldog is something Stanton does quite well. If you confess something 40 years ago, you can bet Stanton will remember it for you, and if you ever speak out, they will use it to subdue you. It doesn't matter how long ago it happened. And,… Read more »
Our friend, AnonymousFebruary 23, 2019 at 7:35 AM, is an example of one of the two poles which are making the church in America a wreck today. Our friend represents the legalistic look at sin, and has no comprehension of salvation or redemption, which means freedom from sin and it's consequences. God punishes to make chaste, and does not want anyone to perish in their sins. This is Stanton's major flaw, and yet they believe they are the only 1,500 people out of 7.7 billion that are going to heaven. http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/. On the other side is the church that doesn't… Read more »
Lastly, this is a method that Stanton has used to get rid of a lot of good men and women, and to hold them down. Our friend, Anonymous, above, thinks it is their job to, like the KGB, get private confessions of people,and use them publicly to silence, humiliate, and destroy the person. Frightening that we have churches here in America that work like the NKVD used to work in Communist Russia. You see, anonymous didn't address anything I said, simply jumped in for a kill shot. It's an ad hominem attack, and I'm betting they don't even know what… Read more »
You see, Paul recommended to forgive and comfort the sinner, so THAT SATAN WOULDN'T GET AN ADVANTAGE!! He didn't recommend dogpiling the sinner for years after their sin AFTER THEY ALREADY REPENTED!! Stanton has been eliminating dozens with this friendly fire for decades. Yes, we are all at war with sin. However, when one person has already overcome a sin, how dare anyone else bring it back up!!?? If God has forgiven it, and put it aside, what right has any human, who is under God's command, to bring it back up? This is Matthew 18, that Stanton has a… Read more »
Montesquieu, You're being evasive with your sermon. You weren't asked to justify any actions, just answer the question Anon asked.
Ad hominem is a type of propaganda that is attacking the opponents character rather than the opponents' ideas or principles. Another type of propaganda is name calling, or stereotyping, or labeling where a person is compared to something inferior like a snake, rat, or cockroach to discredit the person or group as evil to silence their objections. Glittering generalities is another method of propaganda making vague statements like "I never heard that in any of the churches". You see Ryan is the master of double standards: it is wrong in his opinion to villify him but then he turn around… Read more »
AnonymousFebruary 23, 2019 at 9:04 PM https://www.openbible.info/topics/your_sins_i_will_remember_no_more Your first comment was deleted, and your next one will be too, to remind you God is in the business of hearing the cries of the penitent, healing, and remembering their sins no more. There are 100 verses on the topic posted for your edification. Not sure what Bible you are following, but it's certainly not the KJV Stanton pretends to follow but neglects to obey when it comes to dealing with sin. So, God laughs at you, takes a huge sin, and decides to shove it in your self righteous faces. He… Read more »
AnonymousFebruary 23, 2019 at 10:31 PM Excellent. As usual, your attacks come from the shadows, though they resemble our friend, Sun Devil, from Arizona. But hey, when you are out to ruthlessly murder the message of salvation, you'd prefer to it anonymously. Assassins work best in secrecy. Brutus and Cassius did it, and so do you. Conspirators avoid the light and full disclosure like the plague. There is little doubt influential leaders in Stanton are on here, using their information to sow mayhem and uphold their tyranny. Communist double agents did it all the time. Infiltrate the rebellion, and try… Read more »
Calling your tactics those of a snake, rat, or cockroach, isn't an ad hominem at all. It's describing your furtive, cowardly style. As mentioned above, courage is the first virtue, and if you haven't got that, none of the others matter, and that includes being sexually faithful to a spouse in marriage. You see, my friend, a rat, a cockroach, and a snake are generally nocturnal and run when the light comes. That's your approach. Hurl devastating accusations that are not your business or affair from the shadows, and run from being identified. Reminds me of myself when I was… Read more »
Here is a transformed wife, who is far advanced on subjection to God and her husband than any woman teacher in Stanton. https://thetransformedwife.com/. Get in your place, women in Stanton. Stop talking about your husbands cheating on you and going to porn, when it's your brawling behavior that is a contributing factor. Your writing resembles our friend, the Sun Devil, from Arizona. Like you, he will define topics and is big on psychiatry and propaganda defining. Of course, DS from Arizona was a private investigator, and I wouldn't put it past him to engage in something like this. He was… Read more »
More sermons from someone wallowing in sin, pathetically trying to justify your sinfulness. Stanton is not stagnant. Maybe by your flawed standards, but you don't set the bar for us. You're nothing but the grape being thrown at the charging 700 pound gorilla.
DS, is that you? Perhaps you remember your bible classes on evil surmising. You only know what I tell you, so try to calm your lively imagination down. Despite the traitorous spy network you’ve set up, constantly telling Christian kids not to tell Stanton’s secrets to others, but constantly pumping them for information on Stanton’s opponents, the best method is to turn to God, as you are a sneering Pharisee. Go learn how the Prodigal Sons Father acted. You have a blatant example in the Bible how to act, yet you can’t follow it. No, your church isn’t growing because… Read more »
Monte I have to say that this particular line of reasoning above for the most part really hits the nail on the head in regards to Merie's church. I think we all have witnessed the hypocrisies and mercilessness you have described above. Whoever anonymous is, you certainly ruffled some feathers there. As for forgiveness, I am certain some of us are willing to forgive the ugliness that's been thrown at us. But I for one will continue worshipping outside of Merie's sect because I refuse to believe that God expects us to worship with such a terrible standard of people… Read more »
Thank you, M Long. Yes. They just had a class on the importance of fatherhood yesterday. It was very insightful. I don't want to hold their failings in fatherhood against them, and I think we are all responsible for our own actions, however, there was a huge problem with children being able to open up to their parents and tell them what was really going on, because the children were terrified the parents would punish them for an eternity and tell the whole church about them, and we are talking common children's misbehavior. JW had an excellent point where he… Read more »
Imagine the amount of pride Monte must have to think he prophesied the church not growing, and that God is allowing it because of him. In his eyes the church is in disfavor with god unless baptisms are happening by the thousands. When the church was in hiding I doubt they were baptizing up to Monte's standard. Keep quoting your scriptures Monte. Its sad watching you blindly lash out in desperation, trying to strike at anyone you feel is standing in your way to God, but your pride is the only thing standing in your way, and has blinded you.… Read more »
AnonymousFebruary 27, 2019 at 11:05 AM It's common sense, not pride. Those who know the past, know the present, and future. Stanton refuses to learn the past, and then calls me proud for learning it's lessons and applying it to today. When you reject God's plan for forgiveness and mercy, you'll get the same treatment from God that the Pharisees and Jews got. The Temple was utterly destroyed, along with Jerusalem by the Roman emperor Titus in 70 A.D. Stanton is headed down the same road, though they aren't doing an armed revolt. But, God is destroying them by frustrating… Read more »
I did the math, and the Fairfield church alone has knocked on 300,000 doors conservatively since 2008, and they have only 2 new members to show for it, not counting Christian children. I get the church is supposed to be small, but I'm sorry, that's terrible. I talk to people all the time who would make excellent Christians, but I can't invite them to Stanton, because of your hard hearts. As for me, I don't start a church, because I don't feel called to do it at the moment. Have had many requests to preach, and I declined. So, since… Read more »
Monte..This needs to be repeated over & over: "It's not pride to scripturally disagree with others." "It's not pride to scripturally disagree with others." "It's not pride to scripturally disagree with others." AGAIN IT"S NOT PRIDE TO SCRIPTURALLY DISAGREE WITH OTHERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Why is this so hard to understand?!! I believe that we all can interpret a scripture differently..When you read it you make take away something different than I do..and guess what folks:THAT'S OKAY!!!!!!!!! Your relationship with God is nobody's business but yours. God knows your heart. The pride & hypocrisy I witnessed in this "church" is laughable!! Someone should… Read more »
Anon 1:41 PM
And all God's people said…AMEN!!
AnonymousFebruary 27, 2019 at 1:41 PM Yes, quite a few withdrawals would have been avoided if they understood, 'It's not pride to scripturally disagree with others'."We begin this letter by saying that every Christian has a right and a responsibility to express as well as to teach those things which they honestly believe to be scriptural without being called a false teacher, or one who perverts the word of God." (Moyer Letter, 1967) So true, and Merie herself believed that!! Crazy, we are in trouble for merely agreeing with Merie, who was the originator of Stanton. I call people lost… Read more »
Monte, I see your point about the brother who lent you the song book. I know there are genuinely good people in Merie's church who are doing their best. I remember one sister who, when I was withdrawn/fallen away for about 2 yrs from for not leaving my first husband, gave me the biggest smile and said a soft hello at me when I first went back. I still cherish that moment of love. Unfortunately those small moments don't make up for the leadership that causes so much pain and division.Which takes me to Merie, 1:41 PM above. "Merie herself… Read more »
M LongFebruary 28, 2019 at 1:20 AM Yes, the moments of grace mean a lot, especially when one is under duress. You are right that Merie and Stanton don't always live up to their words, but in demonstrating that they don't, one effectively calls out their injustice. When a person states their beliefs and acts contrary to it, there is no better illustration of why their beliefs are not biblical, particularly when they are recalcitrant and bullheaded and refuse to change, not indicating any sorrow over their injustice at all. Time will tell if they go above and beyond. I've… Read more »
The righteous are as bold as a lion. Righteousness does not mean perfection, as Stanton believes, it means falling 7 times and getting up 8. Rich Devos, who recently died, and is the father in law of education secretary Betsy Devos said, 'History has demonstrated that the most notable winners usually encountered heartbreaking obstacles before they triumphed.', and '.“If I had to select one quality, one personal characteristic that I regard as being most highly correlated with success, whatever the field, I would pick the trait of persistence. Determination. The will to endure to the end, to get knocked down… Read more »
What a sick church? Yes ..I didnotice family members showing little emotions. Emotion of joy and happiness was few and far between. Now that they are all out of that horrible place laughter is back and life appears to be rather normal.
Anon 8:44 I totally agree with the lack of emotion in members of Stanton. When you have to guard your every word, action and expression due to oppression you can't have joy. The singing is so labored, that when I was there I never understood what is meant to "sing PRAISES to the Lord". Now I truly understand what it means to sing praises from my heart.
My family has also seen a tremendous difference in my overall outlook and happiness in life. I'm happy for you that your family is out and they are enjoying life.
Great point, Donna. TC visited my congregation and said the singing was terrible. It was. But, when you are emotionally stifled by oppression, how can you fake joy?
The children could not fake joy. They were the only honest ones in our congregation. Thank goodness they got out before their lives are completely ruined. This is a disgrace!
Craig when I posted fairy tales I meant a book of fiction, I did not mean to criticize homosexual behavior I apologize if I offended you.
Anon 8:20 my bad. I misread your comment. My apologies. Your homosexual reference I do not see? Anyways if your calling sin sin that does not offend me.
Montesquieu 6:16 and 6:31. Well said and too funny but sadly true about Merie’s cult. The two top men certainly have huge egos. The lack of love and compassion is incredibly disturbing as they continue their mastery of dividing families. They will be held accountable for the unscriptural withdrawals and all the wrongs they have committed. Going back to what was meanioned earlier about not showing emotions. When JS was battling cancer top snake GP used that saying “let your tears be upon your pillow”. Wow GP you’re full of love. JK. Montesquieu absolutely right Jesus let his emotions be… Read more »
Very true, Craig. Stanton has split up too many families to count. So much for the church being there to keep marriages together. There are now many couples in Stanton, who have been married for decades, who are divorced or separated, and who still attend Stanton. How does that work? Wow, didn't know that was used to a cancer patient. Great snakes, how heartless!! But, I've never seen a tear from GP in the 40 years I've known of him. True ironman. Nothing like King David, Moses, Christ, or Paul who all showed emotion openly. The man will ruthlessly and… Read more »
Craig, there is a talk that I have of one of the Evangelists actually admitting that he doesn't have within himself to to consider other people in his actions. He gave an example of this. I don't remember what it was, but is was in the area of being cordial to others. His wife has to catch and correct him. How many times in his Christianity do you think he has read this scripture? Philippians 2:4 Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others. Consideration and being cordial is a key… Read more »
Donna and Montesquieu, Portland was noted for being horrible at singing. I can’t sing but I’d sing out. I always thought it was the effort that mattered. Not the quality. If you can’t sing you can’t sing. But you can always put forth the effort.
I'm not much of a singer either, Craig, but if God gave me my voice, and I raise it to please him, that is all I can do. Meanwhile, plenty of professional singers defy God publicly with their behavior, and sound wonderful. Pretty sure God doesn't accept that. Sing with the understanding. That said, singing songs with the church commemorating moments of public sadness or joy, united, is quite a joyful and harmonious experience. Many of the Songs of the Church are hardwired on my mind, and will be there until I die. Like song #12, Amazing Grace. Song #649… Read more »
Montesquieu, I enjoyed many of the songs as well. The great thing about it I continue to hear and sing them elsewhere and many more beautiful songs that I’m sure the cult will never sing.
This is a video I would love to see go viral!! I hope to see more and more of these videos and pray every day for the fall of this cult! I recently read Leah Remini's book about scientology & was blown away how many similarities that cult had compared to the COC cult. It's mind blowing how easy people get sucked in. I was only in for about 7 years. My parents joined when I was a teenager..I knew immediately how off this place was & left when I graduated high school & never looked back. I couldn't and… Read more »
Anon if you liked her book, watch her series on Hulu or Amazon. Watch season 1 of the Leah Remini Scientology and the Aftermath. So many families are broken, just as they are in Merie's church.
I watched the 1st season need to catch up on the rest. These 2 cults are alike in so many ways it's scary!!
Anon 2:54 It would be awesome to see this video go viral. Word is spreading about Merie’s cult and I’m hoping more and more video’s will be made. I for one will be making them. My story should soon be on this blog as well. There is just so much awareness about this cult that needs to be spread from coast to coast so people know what this group is truly about and there is nothing hidden from them. I’m confident if people know the history and current practices and rules of the cult, less and less will become members… Read more »
Be careful about making videos. America may be heading for a Civil War, and you don't want this information to get into the wrong hands. It could cost peoples lives. The left is ruthless, and if you dislike Stanton, the left is even worse. It's like jumping out of the frying pan into the fire.
https://www.cnsnews.com/blog/michael-w-chapman/digenova-we-are-civil-war-i-vote-and-i-buy-guns
Montesquieu, s kangaroo court to say the least. The attempted withdrawal of the two in Des Moines, those who objected you see what happened to them. The kangaroo court recognized after how many years they handled that situation wrong. GP, TC and KS really think they have the Holy Spirit. What a joke with all the mistakes they’ve made in their so called leadership. Merie Weiss the leader of unscriptural withdrawals who was the guide to the circus of the SCOC.
Montesquieu, no worries about making videos. I just want them exposed in the most efficient way.
It was, Craig. Yes, when Dianne was withdrawn from, there were no objections allowed. Marcy was set upon for withdrawal as soon as she said she objected. Despite my differences with some of the leadership in Stanton, yet still, I harbor no animosity, and would reconcile. It should be a Civil Difference. While it's hard to keep it there because of all the emotions and passions that Stanton stirs up in families and friendships, yet still, Proverbs does say, 'When a man's ways please the Lord, he maketh even his enemies to be at peace with him'. I thought it… Read more »
I have so much animosity & resentment some days I feel there's not enough therapy out there for me. So grateful for this blog and the fb page. Now that I'm a parent myself I just never want my children to feel the pain I have felt and still struggle with as an adult. The hypocrisy I see disgust me but to them I'm the bad one. I'm just a law abiding citizen living my life on my own terms in pur bliss but to them I'm satan!
Montesquieu 9:25 and above. Well said. I have no problem using the word snake because of much of what you mentioned. One thing about being a preacher and attending multiple May weeks is how sins of members were shared within the gossiping group. My wrong in partaking in it as well. Members would be amazed what is shared. So virtually your sins repented of or not is known coast to coast. Ones such as DS in Phoenix if he is still there has enough of his own issues to be bringing up others past. Very much a snake he is.… Read more »
Thank you, Craig. Wow! I suspected it, because I had seen preachers doing this since I was a child, but to hear you say it was done at May Trips. They traffic in others business, while the growth of the church, and helping it's members is neglected. Busybodies. Kevin mentioned this is like what goes on in Scientology, which someone mentioned earlier. They use past 'confessions' to blackmail people and to keep them in the group. Very devious, sneaky, manipulative, and flat out deceitful. People come to them because they trust them and want help, only to find out they… Read more »
I think God is tired of Stanton's oppression,and I think he is going to deliver many of the people they have been oppressing for decades, and they'd better pray he shows them more mercy than they have shown their victims. They have a May trip coming up here shortly. Probably the first week of March. No harm in having done it in the past. Learning and changing is key. The fight of the church is against sin, not trying to throw each other under the bus based on sins done decades ago and long since repented of. I did this… Read more »
And, Craig, I know some pretty interesting tidbits about quite a few people in Stanton, including some current preachers. But, I do to them what God tells all Christians to do. He says he forgets their sins and forgives, and so I do too. Some of the things I could say would end marriages and churches, likely enough. But, I'll take it with me to my grave. It's not noble to be telling others business all over the place, a habit Stanton has been engaging in for over 40 years, regularly. Consider, when I have a friend I really like,… Read more »
Have to relate, that when I attended, one of the brothers, EH, who I've known for 30 years at least, passed his songbook to me, and went without one during a song. When I noticed he didn't have one, I tried to give him his back, but he wouldn't take it. Touching gesture. Thank you, EH. Also, thank you, 8 years afterwards to MG, who was visiting from Georgia with her husband, KG. Even though I was withdrawn from, she sat next to me and gave me a hug. That takes courage. And I must mention that PP, GP's wife,… Read more »
I have no animosity towards those who have caused harm. I am greatly saddened and don't trust those who have caused so much damage and are still leaders in the church. I've said before, how can anybody live their Christianity in any congregation that treats anybody like this? How can anybody meet their brethren at each function happily knowing exactly how they feel towards you? There is just sorrow and a great disconnect. How is anybody expected to live their Christianity like that?
Quite true, Lynn, love is the end of the law, and Stanton is too busy remembering sins that happened decades ago to be able to love properly. Can't even forgive children they raised. They certainly can't forgive a sin sick and weary world. Since there is no peace available in Stanton, they don't grow.
Anon 6:30 at least you admit you’re with Merie’s cult. Stagnant no, rather dead. Your so called church is a joke when it comes to growth. Portland stopped growing when KG and MG moved to Columbus. Even Merie would be ashamed of you all. You all have disrespected her ideology of how her cult would grow. You’ve fallen far far short. You are not the church you see within scriptures by a long shot. Christ’s church added daily. Keep drinking the kool aid and remain among the spiritually dead.
Did Anon 6:30 comment get deleted?!
True, Craig. This was the first person from Stanton that had the guts to come on here and identify themselves. Of course, they imitate the leaders, and immediately go for a kill shot by trying to dig up the darkest, dirtiest deed they can find on the outspoken types on here, and ignore every last idea. Stanton is really good at ignoring doctrine and the meaning of scriptures, but when it comes to others sins, they perk up remarkably and have absolutely fantastic listening skills. Haha, I remember I did that as a kid. I'd be asleep in Bible class… Read more »
They must have deleted their comment..typical keyboard warrior.
AnonymousFebruary 25, 2019 at 9:18 AM It's still there. However, this website actually obeys the Bible far better than Stanton, and forces them to live up to their scripture that they read every Sunday before they solemnly take the Lord's Supper. And I quote, "If you confess your sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness". Stanton feels they are the confessors, like the Pope and the Catholic church, and if you don't confess to them, your confessions aren't valid. The very thing that initiated the Protestant Reformation with Martin… Read more »
Further, GP and TC are the equivalent of the Pope in Stanton. All confessions must go through them, or through local assigned preachers (the COC equivalent of a priest). Otherwise, you can't go to heaven, and are lost. Well, that's not what the Bible says. While God designed the church, he designed it to be a haven where the leaders guide the erring back to the right, as the Great Shepherd gave an example of. Sheep are more liable to go astray in Stanton, because when they wander off the path, the shepherds come up and beat them senseless. If… Read more »
Ironically, it was amusing to watch the men yesterday passing the mike around when people had prayer requests and when they had confessions. When I was withdrawn from in 2008, I slammed Stanton for only passing the mike around on confessions, not on prayers. So confessions were very important, but prayer requests, not so much. LOL. They've updated their standards.
Montesquieu..I'm a little behind here…are you a member?!
No worries, it's a bit of an odd situation, CLT. Amusingly, there are many who think that your initials with a U added define Stanton. I'm not one of them. Anyhow, yours truly was withdrawn from 9/21/2008, and excommunicated 8/1/2012. After numerous attempts to attend again, I now do. I've promised to sit and listen quietly, and they don't disturb me. It appears likely they supposed I was a Wild Man of Borneo, and thought I was there to cause mayhem, which I wasn't. This is typical because they frequently suspect those who get punished have lost their minds, and… Read more »
Why after all that has happened to you and all the disgusting things you have seen would you ever want to attend church there? Just curious! I would leave (actually never join in
The first place) and never look back and build myself a life with Christ and for Christ.
21 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times? 22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven. 23 Therefore is the kingdom of heaven likened unto a certain king, which would take account of his servants. 24 And when he had begun to reckon, one was brought unto him, which owed him ten thousand talents. 25 But forasmuch as he had not to pay, his lord commanded him to be sold, and his wife, and… Read more »
'Let the first act of every morning be to make the following resolve for the day: – I shall not fear anyone on Earth. – I shall fear only God. – I shall not bear ill will toward anyone. – I shall not submit to injustice from anyone. – I shall conquer untruth by truth. And in resisting untruth, I shall put up with all suffering.'Gandhi “Even in our sleep, pain which cannot forgetfalls drop by drop upon the heartuntil, in our own despair, against our will,comes wisdom through the awful grace of God.” ― Aeschylus "Even if you are… Read more »
It also teaches me contentment, which I am still learning which is to be happy with what one has and what one is, in ALL circumstances. A truly content person isn't bothered by their problems. Also, as people can tell by my eruption above at a Stanton member, the one thing that gets people mad is to be reminded of their old sins. Still learning to leave it in God's hands, he will bring justice. It still boggles my mind how I found out, a few weeks before my withdrawal, that a very close friend of mine, at least I… Read more »
Another sister, who I called, because the original sister said she regularly discussed this with her, said she didn't want to talk about it. Well, I told her that if I was discussing people behind their backs, that I personally would view that as a conspiracy if I did it to others, insinuating that this was what was being done to me. So at my withdrawal, this sister sings out that I was evil surmising by saying there was a conspiracy against me!!?? When I picked my jaw up off the floor and explained that I simply said I said… Read more »
And to conclude the evening, notice how our friend from Stanton who posted earlier did not state the details of my withdrawal, what it was for, or the charges? Well, that's because most of Stanton has no idea. Doubt me? Go ask someone who attends there what I was withdrawn from for. You'll likely get blank stares. Further, having seen how these things work, and seeing that some members in the past asked to come back and were denied because the church had no withdrawal papers and had no idea what they were withdrawn from for, I requested a written… Read more »
And after all that you still choose to attend?! What good is it doing to be around those people? You CAN worship outside of this cult..even if you come out of withdraw you'll still have mark on you and will always be talked about by others…why put yourself through that? I'm personally not interested in the scriptures being thrown out I'm just legitimately curious as to why one would stay in a place & around people who can do that. You are not stuck ya know…just throwing that out there…
CLT=Charlotte 😉No I wasn't. My parents are..I was in for about 7 years and left as soon as I was of age to go. I was uncomfortable from day 1 and knew something just wasn't right about it. Boy did I learn while I was forced to go…My mother is a lost soul who can't think for herself & is worried of what people think of her..she is the face of a narcissist for sure. We are obviously estranged but I'm okay with it. I'm happy in life. She's not. Her husband does as she says & is a member… Read more »
Pleasure meeting you, Charlotte. California resident here, or rather, a resident of the People's Republic of California:). LOL. I'm rather fond of JS, the preacher at Charlotte. Even though I've never met him, I've listened to a number of his talks, and I cried listening to his humor. He is absolutely hilarious, and has an amazing dry wit. However, if he came across me, I'm not sure the admiration would be mutual. Not to worry though, we are responsible for what we think of others, not what they think of us. I still attend because I have a great deal… Read more »
Touche!I am not fond of JS lol nor is he of me. He is highly critical & is definitely in control there. They all seem like little lost puppies. Pretty sure at one point he told my mother to just right me off. I just never had the desire to join. I could see right away what wasn't right at a young age. Although my mother will say many of those people are gone who were there when I had to go as an excuse to my concerns but it's all still the same. I questioned many of their 'rules'… Read more »
LOL, but is a man being assertive and in charge a bad thing? There are many women outside of Stanton who don't think so. https://thetransformedwife.com/. Writing off kids isn't good, and they do that a lot, however, I will say women's feelings are often wrong. 80% of today's divorces are initiated by women, and 70% of single women vote Democrat. If she got married to a woman, 'all that glitters is not gold'. Sex in marriage between a man and a woman is like a warm fire in the hearth, giving warmth and comfort to all. Outside of marriage it's… Read more »
CLT, JS follows the marching orders just as the other preachers of Merie’s cult. Some are more oppressive than others. I only had good experiences with JS though I only saw him at May meetings and a visit or two to Portland. But that’s my experience. I don’t doubt at all that a preacher or teacher would tell a member to right off a child or family member. Which is very sad. They lack in love tremendously. I see it differently than Montesquieu though I respect him as I’d only return to be a disruption. Also I identify them as… Read more »
Craig..you nailed it!! The short amount of time I was in I feel like I saw nothing but constant drama..people talking about others..in other people's family business..bullying between kids..kids to afraid to tell anyone anything because we all know the kids are lying and "Christian's" do know wrong! My parents started having more kids and it's still all the same. Their house is such a negative environment to be such self proclaimed holy people. I just got to the point in my life where there was no point in trying to hold on to a relationship that seemed toxic &… Read more »
Montesquieu, seems to me the female was in the wrong for having those thoughts about you. Secondly sharing those thoughts. No proof at all just a guess then planting those seeds in others minds. Bad bad bad on her and for the ones who gave ear to it. Is that not what the cult teaches. Where is the big waste of a meeting at this year? Though I was entertained by the discussions from last year. What a joke. Maybe we’ll get to listen in again this year. Lol.
Seemed that way to me too, Craig. I was never in the habit of discussing people's personal idiosyncrasies behind their backs with other people, so I don't expect people to do it to me. And there was no lack of subject matter for me to do it on either. Gracious, it's like I'm in elementary school again. 'Your ears are big'. 'You are fat'. 'You are skinny'. Like a bunch of kids. But Stanton goes one up. 'Muh Bible says you act effeminate because of consequences'. Nonsense, was never a homosexual. Yes, and to this day there has not only… Read more »
Montesquieu or anyone who may know. Have they the top cronies of the cult ever asked forgiveness because of unscriptural withdrawals?
Haven't seen it done, though they've lifted plenty. They had to lift all their unscriptural withdrawals for 'defiled marriage beds', 'corrupt minds', and 'uncleanness'. And they didn't even go and make serious efforts to contact people they'd withdrawn from for it, and who no longer attended. One woman was the only woman in Napa who came to church after the church did personal work there for about 1-2 years, and she'd been withdrawn from 20 years prior for uncleanness, and I believe it was in the church KS was in before she came to Stanton. So the church announced, when… Read more »
You said ' they make sure you are not unclean otherwise you cant get baptized.That is nowhere in the Bible.'1 Corinthians 3:10-15 should be considered. "But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon". John the Baptist would not allow baptism to the Sadducees and Pharisees but told them to bring forth fruits meet for repentance. If your not careful you end up with situations like Craigs. They say one thing, Craig says another concerning his baptism. carefulness eliminates confusion. .the principle is there
Yes, Concerned. They waffle quite a bit. Underneath it all, they have a serious problem understanding God's mercy for themselves, and so can't show it to others. You can't give others what you don't first have yourself. Their unforgiveness towards others simply shows they don't think they have forgiveness themselves, for forgiven people don't act like they act.
I would like to hear a lesson on discord. The clearest fruit of discord is violence between two people or groups. When nations go to war it is because of the discord between them has reached intolerable levels. God hates discord and with good reason, it leads to the loss of human life when carried out to its final conclusion. Blessed are the peace makers who can dissolve discord and resolve difference and thus preserve human life.
Unity is nice, but prostituting truth for it isn't. You never find a Godly man being quiet about the truth for the sake of peace. You do see Eli not calling out blatant public sin, UNREPENTED OF SIN (have to throw that in there, because Stanton is big on going back years to dredge up old sins), and getting destroyed for it. Facts don't care about feelings. Stanton feels that unless you become the most obsequious sycophant, and admit they are 100% right, and you are 100% wrong, then you can't be listened to. Pride is what leads to contention… Read more »
I understand there are two web sites up for the 'children' of the said Churches of Christ. These sites cause hatred, bitterness, anything but healing and kindness coupled with understanding. I believe if this continues to keep the ill will going there will be serious repercussions as a result.
Concerned 2:05 PM
LOL I think everyone has suffered enough from this cult..if there's repercussions it will be against the cult!! This site has been a tremendous help for healing & understanding!!
ConcernedFebruary 28, 2019 at 2:05 PM There was back in 2013. As a matter of fact, I never had a Fakebook account until I heard of the Stanton Church Fakebook account, with lots of Christian kids. I went on in July of 2013, immediately. Soon after, AD went on a couple of profane rants, and was very justly kicked off the site by PK. Being quite a rebellious type, he immediately set up his own Fakebook page, with types who elicited some of the same corrupt and profane behavior as him. He's a foe of Stanton and morality, though I… Read more »
Correction, typed my last post in a hurry, and there were a few errors. They are corrected below. Recommend avoiding Social Media altogether, or use Disqus on generally Christian friendly sites like Breitbart, Daily Wire, American Thinker, the Federalist, among others. DuckDuckGo is far superior to Google for a search engine. Christian information on Google is banished to the Siberia regions of search results, 100 or more search results deep, where no one visits. In this manner, propaganda is exalted, and truth is demoted. Never in human history have so few controlled the minds of so many. We may be… Read more »
Anon 4:19 great topic and points. Merie’s cult has perfected causing discord with families and individuals. So many comments on this blog would back that statement up. False accusations with untrue (lies) towards me by MM and ST here in Portland were a cause of discord between the three of us. Of course when I confronted them about it the discord became greater. I could’ve suffered the wrong. But I also had to make them aware of their sin too. Sins that have never been confessed to me. Your last sentence is ideal. Yet GP chooses not to engage communicating… Read more »
The meeting is in San Antonio this year. This coming week. More kissing up to the preachers and teachers by the locals. It's funny they'll judge the world for Christmas but when these meetings come around they spend ridiculous amounts of money repainting, buying furniture, spending lots on food and household items, and making everyone gift baskets. Gotta kiss up to those preachers! Why don't they do that when their relatives come to visit? Respecter of persons? Yes, please.
Anon 12:59AM But they sure do accept those Christmas gifts from their family..will even go to visit on Christmas day to collect! Makes me sick!!
Yes, and the more important you are in the church, the higher ranking members of other congregations you get to host. They have an inner circle elite that generally stays away from the common man. They don't want to be bothered with the commoners. That's why they hate this site, because we are peons and commoners, publicans and sinners. They are holier than us, and they look down their noses at us. Just look, the only person from Stanton to ever come on here, comes on here only to highlight sins they know about those on here. Also, for the… Read more »
I saw someone mention a podcast..this is already an excellent platform for it..definitely something I would like to listen too! Seeing YouTube videos now I imagine it won't be long until we can hear a podcast.
Not a bad idea, however, readers are leaders and leaders are readers. A literary culture, which processes information through print is far superior to one which hears information from an electronic medium, or which sees it on hellivision. There is a great topic that I think Stanton would be well advised to go into for their May (March) Trip, beginning this Sunday. That topic is Loud Women. If it weren't for one Loud Woman, there wouldn't be any Stanton. Initially, I disagreed with Kevin on 2 things. One was violence in self defense, and I've recently applied to be a… Read more »
Feminazi's have invaded the Church of Christ. Women initiate divorce 80% of the time, and they are very good at getting their way. Now, men are commanded to love their wives, but this is never to be used to justify a wife saying she won't be in subjection because she doesn't feel loved. God's command for a husband to love his wife, and for a wife to be in subjection to her husband were commands that were not contingent on the others obedience. He was the referee and mediator in the marriage, and if a wife doesn't feel loved, or… Read more »
There was an excellent article by Lori Alexander, who writes the fabulous website, 'The Transformed Wife', called 'Don't be a Loud woman'. https://thetransformedwife.com/dont-be-a-loud-woman/. Quite profound. As if it's not bad enough that Stanton has many domineering women, who insist on teaching men contrary to the Biblical instruction, that women are to teach women and children alone, it spreads to the wives. Remember Vashti, and how she rejected her drunken husbands command to come out and parade in all her beauty before his assembled Lords, and the hussy wouldn't do it? Well, she was rejected from being Queen, and Esther was… Read more »
And no, I know I'll get people saying , 'But Monte, what about the man who was molesting kids, physically hitting his wife, using drugs, an alcoholic, etc.'? I'm not talking about that, of course a wife needs to leave a husband who is a physical threat to her and the children. Had one woman on Fakebook, very beautiful, with 5 children, who was married, tell me that her husband molested their children, and that there were people in the church (not Stanton) telling her it was against the Bible to divorce him and remarry. No, that is absolutely scriptural,… Read more »
That's why in the world there are men called MGTOW. Men Going Their Own Way. These are men who don't want to be bothered with a woman in a relationship, at all! I don't agree with that, but I understand it. I believe that the woman was the final creation of God, the most perfect of his Creation. However, she was created to be a helpmeet, and God recognized it was not good for a man to be alone. She was also designed to have and care for children. The entire purpose of the man's generally stronger sex drive is… Read more »
Montesquieu, do you hate women?
AnonymousMarch 1, 2019 at 2:47 PM
Did God hate women? Because nothing I set out was not in the Bible. 100 years ago, Americans agreed 100% with what I said. Our nation was far greater, healthier, and more stable.
Truth sounds like hate to those who hate truth.
Monte preaches a lot, for someone who claims they didn't want to preach. He's built his own Crystal Cathedral here online and has a congregation to fill it. Instead of Monte, your new name is Ryan Osteen, the only difference is your pride is much greater than his, and you have far dirtier scandals than he has currently.
Cue up the daily sermon from Mr. Osteen, the congregation awaits.
AnonymousMarch 2, 2019 at 9:51 AM GP, TC, DS is that you? Took me awhile to catch on, but you use the same methods Stanton does. Anyone who disagrees with you is proud, and has sins. Don't address the substance of their arguments, but dismiss them as proud or a sinner. So tired, but many in Stanton love these methods. Why not? It worked for decades before on naïve and gullible people. When asked to prove your beliefs, and directly challenged, you withdraw, ridicule, lampoon, and castigate. Also, your comment is a logical fallacy Straw man argument, as Crystal Cathedral… Read more »
Sin is much like an illness in the fact that when suffering from sin you will emit symptoms that allow for easy identification of the sin. Monte is displaying the classic symptoms of pride. Self centered, argumentative, hard hearted, fault finding, defensiveness, desperation for attention, to name a few. A single glance at any post on this blog, even a blind person would have a hard time not seeing Monte displaying those symptoms. His prideful heart has lifted him up and exalted himself into the place of God. He's been spiritually weakened and ensnared by self deception to the point… Read more »
AnonymousMarch 2, 2019 at 1:12 PM Stanton has been beating the pride drum for 30 years at least. If you disagree with the teachers you are proud. For all we know, you are from Stanton, and are on here to disrupt this website, as it's the biggest threat to Stanton's leadership in it's history. If I was a leader in Stanton, it would be a great idea to send someone undercover on here, and attack those who are most vocal, slurring them as being proud, argumentative, self-centered, hard-hearted, fault finding, defensive, desperate for attention, and other negative characteristics. Nice strategy.… Read more »
You use the classic Stanton strategy of labelling someone as a troublemaker, with no proof, and then dehumanizing and marginalizing them. Like Stanton's leaders you prefer to do this from the shadows, as you are a coward at heart. They are like gossipy busybodies, constantly discussing sins the members are doing, and doing precious little to heal those sins. Another straw man logical fallacy, you are full of them today. Calling out Stanton and proclaiming the truth's that God and the Bible proclaim is not putting oneself in God's place, it is rather relying upon the Word that created the… Read more »
Please don't be intimidated by the narcissist from northen Cal. 100 years ago was 1919? 100% of american agree with whay he says? Baloney! American's don't agree 100% on anything; not then, not now. Nostalgia is deception because you remember things thay way you wish they were not how they really were, 1919 saw the spanish flu kill millions worldwide, it is another vague and dubious claim that America was more wholesome and righteous than today so I am more wholesome and righteous than anyone else today so I can't be wrong, more baloney from the baloneymaster himself. Men have… Read more »
Is that you, Sun Devil? Not a fan of namecalling, but since you refuse to reveal who you are, constantly criticize, bear false witness unapologetically, with some pretty bizarre accusations, and live in a hot state, it appears Sun Devil is a term you richly deserve. Like the Devil, you lie and use your lies to slander those you hate. You've repeatedly engaged in this over the past couple of years. For newcomers, he accused GP of homosexual thoughts for GP suggesting that bringing food in the building would lead to great allowances, possibly homosexuality being tolerated. Gross exaggeration on… Read more »
Anon 7:53 curious, are you a member of Merie’s cult? If you want to call Montesquieu a Narcissist well we know where he learned his ways. I do not believe so though. I know him and he is a great guy who has been wronged by the cult. Montesquieu as well of many single men from the cult would be married if they wanted to be married if the cult didn’t interfere with their God given rights. To date and get married. The preacher in Portland MM had disrupted men and women from that process. He is the judge in… Read more »
Narcissism is from a lack of following the first commandment:Thou shalt have no other gods before me(Exodus 20:3, Deuteronomy 5:7) When applied in ones own life the idol of self is not worshipped. When putting God first it is seen in the behavior of quietness, that is, the reserved personality, because when God is first the person is paying all of their attention to God and not busy trying to please the self through constant entertainment and mindless prattle. Behaviors tell you if a person is God centered or self centered, a wise person or a fool, if a person… Read more »
Thank you, Craig. Personally, I refuse to even consider marriage unless a woman understands biblical manhood and womanhood. 95% of the women in California don't, and that's not Stanton's fault. Neither does Sun Devil, which is why he's on his psychiatric rampages. His allegations have been repeatedly shown to be in error, but his method is to confidently disagree, get smacked down, get back up, and do it all over again. When someone disagrees with me, God commands to be patient, but our friend the Sun Devil, has been doing this for years, and shows no signs of tiring. He… Read more »
He does make good points at times, and I've agreed with him, but that's outweighed by the falsehoods he repeatedly posts. On the other hand, he hasn't commended anyone on here, that I've seen. But we are all narcissists, according to him. Hmmmmmm…. Also, was it you, Sun Devil, who tried to call my father out on here for child abuse, found out it was an unscriptural withdrawal, and no different from normal discipline in the 1940's, went into hiding, and emerged again, for more falsehoods? Yet, now you are on here quoting my father's explanation for how people married… Read more »
Montesquieu – You said "Personally, I refuse to even consider marriage unless a woman understands biblical manhood and womanhood." Well, I have news for you, we are all works in progress. When I married my wife, I knew she had some godly traits that I admired, but she was also beautiful and easy to talk to (for an introvert like me). That's not unimportant as a young male. You simply don't know it all—not now, and certainly not at 18 or 20. You just try to make wise choices and take reasonable risks from what you do know about life,… Read more »
If I was attending the May/March week meeting this year, the two main points I would bring up (either publicly or privately) is concerning the evangelists getting paid and the issues with elders and leadership within the group. As to the two evangelists being paid a salary, the main questions I have are: 1. If you are now currently paying the evangelists a salary, why then do you still condemn all other churches for doing the same? There have been some comments made here that say that the reasoning behind paying GP and TC a salary is because of the… Read more »
As for Elders and leadership, I fully understand that having Elders might not change much. Realistically, the way current teachers behave, it may not change anything at all since most current "teachers" are yes-men behind "main teachers". Though my main questions are: 1. Why after nearly 50 years does the group still not follow biblical structure? This is a question that has been raised not just by ex-members here, but for many years by current members as well. That includes Merie, who started this whole mess, and who wanted to establish Elders herself. 2.Why are both men and women who… Read more »
The answer to your questions of Why?
SCOC Members are Morons.
Advocate for Peace, Your questions are actually closing in on the entire problem everyone has been addressing on this blog for years now. Everything you have read coming from the experiences of those from the Stanton Churches of Christ are a result of having no qualified elders or deacons. This is the drip down from the system started from the very beginning. These churches broke off from the main Churches of Christ. When one person begins to baptize and organize groups from their teachings then of course the new members must go to the one who began the groups for… Read more »
Two excellent points, Advocate for Peace. Stanton engaging in paying preachers, exactly as Merie objected to when she started Stanton can be only viewed as hypocrisy, and the payments aren't clear at all. How much, from whom, for what? The 'evangelists' obviously aren't traveling so what are they being paid to do? If you take away all the ridiculous rules Stanton has had, and all the time they spent debating them, the two evangelists likely could have been millionaires working with the same energy they spent ceaselessly talking about unscriptural teachings and enforcing them. That way they could have supported… Read more »
Advocate for Peace, great questions. One thing I always heard from first attending is they do not teach their opinion. Lol, what a lie.
One major point to ponder. I believe we must attack/address the leadership. It is the leaders that have created the hurt, pain, and oppression…we must be cautious in our zeal to not malign or cast aside the many good people that have been duped into conformity via fear and sin-blackmail by the known anointed oligarchs. If we are able to use this platform to attack the top, well meaning and good intentioned members will soon join our ranks. We do well to concentrate our fire on the ramparts of the dictatorous oligarchy:For in doing so, we make the people they… Read more »
Fishrotsfromthehead, excellent points. I’d say most are wonderful people. It’s the teachings that need to be exposed and the harm these teachings have and will continue to be caused to families and individual members and nonmembers. Expose the head/leaders for sure and hopefully the rest of the body will see the truth. This blog has brought out so many facts of the cult that members if they to read it they’d be disgusted with what they are involved in. They have been brainwashed. Many do not even know the true history of the cult. Exposure exposure exposure whenever possible. Personally… Read more »
Excellent questions, AFP. Maybe someone should print them out and place them where they will be found by the entire group at the meeting. Hmmm;)
Signs You're Probably In A Cult:– The leader is the ultimate authority.If you’re not allowed to criticize your leader, even if the criticism is true, you’re probably in a cult. Cults begin w/ a charismatic leader who claims some supreme knowledge. They may call themselves a prophet, messenger, or an enlightened teacher. Cult leaders convince members to forfeit their critical thinking ability in return for a sense of belonging, authority, & purpose. To members, it doesn’t matter what the evidence or logic may suggest, the leader is always right, & their misdeeds are always justified. Criticism of the leader is… Read more »
Signs You're Probably In A Cult:-The group is paranoid about the outside world. If your group insists the end of the world is near, you’re probably in a cult.Cults position themselves as the sole refuge from an evil outside world that is intent on their destruction. In an effort to draw in more members, cults are often very aggressive in their recruitment efforts which are usually justified as “saving” people from the evil world. Those who reject the cult’s message are unelect, prideful, evil.-The group relies on shame cycles.If you need your group in order to feel worthy, loved, or… Read more »
AnonymousMarch 3, 2019 at 11:26 AM I'm curious, was that in Robert Greene's 40 laws of power? Because I read that, and was so disturbed by it that I had a long conversation with KS about it before I was baptized. 8 years later, her explanations rang hollow when yours truly was formally withdrawn from for…..wait for it… disagreeing with the leaders. However, the list totally fits Stanton, but it's important to differentiate the leaders from the followers. There are far too many good people in Stanton who believe they are obeying God and the Bible when they obey GP,… Read more »
Simply Google signs of a cult. The comparison to this "church" is beyond alarming!I guess I never saw the good people you have seen during your time. It's all monkey see money do. If they told you to drink the koolaid they are going to do it. All I saw was gossiping, meddling & constant judging. And they will tell you "it's their job to judge!"..that statement sent me over the edge and was such an eye opener to the hypocrisy and self righteousness!
Good comments Anon. There are definitely enough traits of a cult to satisfy the definition. As for the sex stuff, Merie's church focuses on exposing this to the point it takes the innocence of little ones and then they wonder why the curiosity. Those concessions are wonderful to all the itching ears. Also, instead of reporting members who have sexually abused even their own children, if they are repentant, they won't report it, which is against the law.Monte, this is the Alamo City. As the defenders of the Alamo said once, I say to Merie's group (Regarding my conscience) COME… Read more »
Things that make you say hmmmmmmm
Montyscrewloose You are not a judge just because you have your own opinions. If you want to be a judge you will have to gain followers of your opinion. That's not happening here. You can't just break in and proclaim your beliefs to everyone here as if you have some illuminating news. Tell your story as others have suggested in some other forum. Don't write your books here Please
UnknownMarch 4, 2019 at 8:07 AM Hello Stanton plant, how are you? What congregation are you from? Stanton has been doing a wonderful job of infiltrating this website for the past five years, and it's now very evident. You actually were successful for quite some time. You had most convinced you weren't with Stanton, but you were from this site and disagreed with me. Well, your game is over. We all know that the only ones who want to silence those of us calling out Stanton, is Stanton themselves. HaHa, and according to Stanton, those of us who disagree with… Read more »
Loud women of Stanton Last night, I was listening to a May Trip discussion on 'Proper Attire' from 2006. It was a discussion dominated by women, who shouldn't be teaching at May Trips at all, but should be teaching their children, and other women. The women in Stanton aren't doing a very good job at all, overall, as the retention rate of their children is less than 10%. To them, that proves they are right, because the Bible said few will go to heaven. They are masters at eluding reality. So, this entire discussion, 13 years ago, was on wearing… Read more »
As our Stanton infiltrator above demonstrates, you either go along with Stanton's Pharisaism, or they will viciously attack you, call you crazy, ridicule, and follow you wherever you go. According to Stanton, you are crazy if you disagree with their teachers, and there is no way you can prove you are not. That's just reality, and they will talk about you when you aren't there, and convince your own family and dearest friends you truly are crazy. Then, they go quiet and wait for their next victim. Spiteful serpents. Let's focus on KS, shall we? She is way out of… Read more »
Further, KS has been a busybody all over the Brotherhood. I knew for a fact that as soon as DS went to Stanton, that wouldn't last long, because KS doesn't cede power easily. Sure enough, quite shortly afterwards, KS hit the road, ostensibly 'for the church' but she moved to be closer to her grandchildren. I'm pretty sure she was the one making that decision, not her husband, but this is the usual with the bossy Stanton wives. To be clear, KS has many good attributes, but being in submission is not one of them, and since this is the… Read more »
Montesquieu you sound like one of the most sexiest beings I've ever seen!! There are PLENTY of women out there who pass that exam & beat a man's time! Plenty of good women out there who are cops & would probably have no problem laying you out! Sounds like you have some serious personal issues with women..rejected maybe? Either way the arrogance you carry behind your key board is hard for anyone to take you seriously. I hope one day you meet your match to a women lol
Appeal to anecdote, logical fallacy. Individual examples don't outweigh the fact that a woman's upper body strength is often inferior to men's.
We are in a society that is sick with feminism, and it will take white hot heat to get rid of the disease. If you aren't part of the solution, you are part of the problem.
What's truly remarkable, is the feminists in Stanton originate in California. California is one of the 2 biggest Democrat states in America, along with New York. Recently, retired sheriff David Clarke wrote about how the Democrat party is like a cult. There are a lot of similarities with Stanton. Extreme indoctrination, and propaganda ruthlessly directed at any who disagree.
His column at TownHall is an interesting read.
https://townhall.com/columnists/sheriffdavidclarke(ret)/2019/03/04/the-cultlike-psychosis-of-the-progressive-movement-n2542537
AnonymousMarch 4, 2019 at 11:19 AM
Oh, and by the way, I am pretty good looking, thank you, even though you clearly meant sexist. The word sexist is a common term in the Democrat Identity politics playbook, and it doesn't faze me. Anyone who stands up for biblical womanhood is automatically a 'Sexist' by the definition of the Devilish Democrats. That pretty much makes every man and woman before 1940 in America full blown 'sexists'. Funny, their marriages lasted long and were far more satisfactory than today's.
By Hollyweirds definition, and they use Satan to evaluate humans by, I’m an ugly duckling. To Hollyweird, beauty is truth. To God, Truth is beauty.
Oh oh M. I do like reading your comments but will have to ask you why you think women should not vote? And to not be in any leadership rolls? Whoa there! God did give us a brain you know and this woman who is a Christian must tell you I vote and have been in some small leadership rolls along this journey of life of nearly 80 years. And I praise God I was never duped into a cult but I have been duped by the cult and feel so badly how this one is dividing families and destroying… Read more »
Anon 11:19 obviously you are anti Montesquieu, are you also anti Merie and her cult? Just noticed on the church directory has some new comments from cult sympathizers possibly.
I have to say that I agree with Monte's assessment of Merie's church in regard to women usurping men. They are the biggest hypocrites in teaching that women should not usurp the authority of men, yet they practice the exact opposite. Obviously the biggest usurper was Merie herself, making the entire foundation of her church built on sand. It's just so clear to me now how the entire beginning of this sect is based on a complete deception. To say one thing and do another. To say men are to lead – – and teach that evangelicals are so wrong… Read more »
Thank you, M Long. Huge hypocrisy, and you are right. The women in Stanton are virtually preachers, only they sit and don't stand. 'As if teaching and rebuking from a sitting position made it right!'. Amen! Being a teacher definitely has it's perks. Also, the teachers children generally travel to other congregations to be around other teachers children more. Of course, since the leaders in the church encourage the government to do welfare, instead of spending their own riches to help the poor of their church, there is plenty of spending money for these vacations. I'm pretty sure that MG… Read more »
While I agree with 90% of your comment, I strongly disagree with women voting, and have massive evidence and data to support my position. http://womenagainstfeminism.com/3-reasons-why-women-should-not-vote/ http://www.returnofkings.com/34330/women-should-not-be-allowed-to-vote Before women had the right to vote, we had men and women getting married, and women having as many children as they could. Now, we have the women flocking together to pursue the men who are the wealthiest and most handsome in society, i.e. Hollyweird, and they refuse to marry men close to them in looks, age, and wealth. So, they get into their forties, figure out they are too old to have children… Read more »
Often, degenerates like you can think only of your animal instincts and anatomy, and your spiritual side is in terrible decay.
Kindly leave, until you learn to clean up that debauched mouth of yours. And go get a dictionary, because your language advertises you've got the reading and comprehension skills of a bilberry.
Paul talked about you 2,000 years ago, called you a brute beast. He wasn't far off.
Wow, using your religion as a weapon that sounds very similar to Stanton Montesquieu
Sounds like you are another Stanton plant. Nothing to do but run your mouth. Can you even string 2 paragraphs together? Probably not, and that's why you are so easy to control by either Stanton or the lamestream media.
If what I say bothers you more than filthy language, your values need some serious adjusting.
How brave of my detractors. Come on, utter nonsense and filth, and stay in the shadows.
Probably kids of Stanton, who are angry at their parents being called out, and attack the only way they know how, with ghetto nonsense.
There are plenty of times that the church has put restrictions on using the treasury to help its' members. I have suffered a few times of inquisitions after getting counseling to ask for help. There have been times that multiple people will ask you the same questions. The last time I did I just gave up asking, yet they will make sure that you are putting money in the plate. I read nowhere in the bible any prerequisites to be fulfilled in order to ask for help with your winter electric bill, yet it is there. They allow the congregation… Read more »
Do you know how to keep an idiot in suspense? Post anonymously.
One thing to consider in asking why you were treated the way you were while in the SCOC is objectification. Degrading someone to the status of a mere object is objectification and it is usually cited with men who objectify women to a single purpose. However anyone can objectify another person; women objectify men as an ATM, that is only good as a source of cash. Leaders can objectify their followers demanding perfection from them with almost a complete disregard for the individuals rights, or thoughts, or desires for their own lives. I have grown the most in my love… Read more »
So, without a sex drive, you believe men would pursue and marry women to have children, Arizona? I think God's design works out pretty well. If men weren't designed to be physically attracted to women, and woo and win them, the human race would have perished long ago. Not sure this will jive with your college edumacation though. I'm curious where your love affair with God legitimizes bearing false witness. The God I read about in my Bible not only says not to do it, but says if you do it publicly, you ought to apologize for it publicly, or… Read more »
Correction, when I said 'Not sure this will jive with your college edumacation though.', the correct word should have been jibe. Jive is incorrect. My apologies for the inconvenience to the reader.
Was listening last night to the 2006 talk on 'Food in the building'. Started off pretty tame, but then GM got up and began showing how Stanton was being pretty Pharisaic about prohibiting food in the building, as it was such a small issue to be dealing with. World War 3 started without delay. DV, PP, KS, and many others of the Stanton Old Guard got up to claim 'This is the way we've always done it'. GM was sat down after this May Trip, and hasn't been heard from since. He was a rising preacher before, after, he is… Read more »
Montesquieu, that’s some crazy stuff. RH from Boise I heard got lit up for speaking on something at a May meeting. I can’t remember the details but I heard he was silenced. Basically unless you are on the in with the top leaders you better be care what you say and how you say it. Agree GP the Spring Valley paid preacher is a coward. How does he answer those that disagree or challenges him? He doesn’t. You think his wife PP calls the shots in that home? Lol
Sure is, Craig. That's just part of the stuff I kept 'putting on the shelf', as the teachers like to advise you to do if you don't understand something, before eventually in 2008, the shelf collapsed, and I couldn't be quiet anymore. Quite likely about RH. If your name is not TC, KS, or GP, you'd be wise not to bring up new ideas at a May Trip, if you hope to return to your congregation as a teacher. Best to sit still, nod, and say nothing. Go back to your church, and give them the official overview of the… Read more »
I know that GP and PP were withdrawn from around 1980, but are you speaking of something recent?
PP withdraw was in Boise ID by evangelist Chuck Tenet and he just announced to the congregation that the congregation had decided to withdraw from PP, GP was completely unaware and caught by surprise, even though he was the teaching preacher who had founded Boise. It was part of the charade of Chuck Tenet to go around to different congregations change the meeting times or days for personal work and Bible classes and withdraw from someone in the congregation. From the outside it looked like he was doing great work but it was just a show he was putting on… Read more »
AnonymousMarch 5, 2019 at 4:10 PM Interesting. Have heard of Chuck Tenet. Didn't know he was an evangelist. Had heard of Jim Mickelson as an evangelist, who used to debate publicly. Something happened, he was demoted or left Stanton, his wife, I believe still attends in Atlanta, and that was the end of him. GP has always struck me as a kind, virtuous, and humane man, but when this unscriptural withdrawal occurred, my view of him changed dramatically. He was the one who should have ensured justice was done, and he abdicated his responsibility, and not only in my case.… Read more »
Defiled marriage bed.
Defiled marriage bed
Anon 4:10 under GP’s reign the unscriptural withdrawals continue. As do destroying families.
Anon 7:09 keep it clean. If you don’t care to read certain ones comments simply don’t.
Wilt Chamberlain, is that you?
Libertines and lechers aren't welcome here.
Unfortunately, pop culture has diseased your thinking to think that an animal action that dogs excel at, is somehow important.
Your comment will be deleted for vulgarity. Keep your filthy mouth shut in the future, you reprobate degenerate.
Further, the idea that anyone decides who to marry based on the animal anatomy of their mate, without consideration of the intellect, which alone is superior, immortal, invincible, immutable, and Divine, is utter imbecility, which unfortunately, due to hellivision, drugs, and porn, is what our society is full of. Not all of us are dogs in heat, pursuing women to mate with. And where do you get the idea that coupling with random women is somehow laudable, when experience, both personal and impersonal, ought to have taught you its quite a miserable and hellish experience? Wise women don't evaluate men… Read more »
AnonymousMarch 5, 2019 at 7:30 PM Also, remember in the Bible where it says to sleep around with as many people as possible to try and find out which partner has the most enjoyable intercourse? Strange, but I never see that in the Bible. Matter of fact, history and the Bible agree, that the best strategy is to wait for marriage for sex. Not sure how things work in your world, but with your beliefs, it's quite likely you'd know a lot about the 110 million Americans who have an STD, out of a population of 330 million. Promiscuity is… Read more »
Is that what this is? A Christian website? Because you have turned it into your personal attack platform to vent. You are just as hypocritical as the Stanton church.
Anon 8:23PM I agree with you 100%. This blogged has turned into attacks on one another & from the looks of it women. They complain but are doing the exact same thing as Stanton.
Nope I’m just someone who thinks you’re a bitter sexist. No idea who that person is
AnonymousMarch 5, 2019 at 7:38 PM Well, then so was everyone in the Bible, and in America up until 1918, because they believed the same way as me. Try to remember we have 2 ears and one mouth so we can listen twice as much as we talk. You're probably another clever Stanton plant. The person using vulgarity wasn't, because Stanton wouldn't stoop that low. The word 'sexist' means practically nothing. The Democrats have taken all meaning from it. It's a silly identity politics term used by Democrats to attack men. Why? Well, 70% of single women vote Democrat, and… Read more »
Are you referring to yourself as wise? That is not what I would use to describe you at all. Also to answer your question I grew up in the church but no longer attend and I could care less about what you think of my language. Montesquieu, it sounds like you have a problem with women in general, not just the women of Stanton. First of all I’d like to say that I am not supporter of the Stanton church and I could care less what you say about the people on here so all of your attempts at attacking… Read more »
*is pathetic
By what standard do you determine who is wise or not? In your mind, who is wise today? If it was you using vulgarity, your view of who is wise or not doesn't matter at all, because wise people don't use that language, and you just advertised your folly for all to see. Impudent people do that often. I'm not here for your approval of my view of women. My view of men and women coincides with God's and histories view of men and women, and if you don't like that, that's a conversation you need to have with your… Read more »
Yes, let's look at the history of war. Not sure why you brought it up when you can't name 5 biographies of the Founders of America you've read, 10 Civil War Generals from memory, or 5 generals from World War 2. Maybe study a topic before bringing it up. Yes, women did an admirable job when men were dying by the millions, but they never went back home after Japan bombed Pearl Harbor, December 7th, 1941. Our economy might dip slightly in the short term, but if women went home and started having as many children as they could, our… Read more »
How about 'where two or more are gathered together there am I in the midst'. Start baptizing and wait for a strong male babe to raise up as your preacher and you have the right order of things. But a woman can get the ball rolling. There is no gender indicated in the gathering of the three.
We were warned when we gave women the right to vote that it would be a disaster, and it has been. Women have been all over getting an education and getting jobs, and they have neglected marriage, children, and their homes. There are many good women who do understand God's will, but you apparently aren't there yet. Hillary was the wort Presidential Candidate in all of history. The left is Marxist, and you should study Marxism. https://www.amazon.com/Naked-Communist-Exposing-Communism-Restoring/dp/1545402159. The left has 3 victim groups, though not all members of these victim groups participate. Women, African-Americans, and Homosexuals. Marxism dictates these 3… Read more »
Thank goodness reasoning and rational thinking in America is waking up and finally being discussed by the adults. With the archaic electoral college going away, we'll finally have every voice in America represented like it should be, women included.
Note, the posts are out of order.
Part 1: MontesquieuMarch 5, 2019 at 8:47 PM
Part 2: MontesquieuMarch 5, 2019 at 8:49 PM
Part 3: MontesquieuMarch 5, 2019 at 8:50 PM
The time signature notes it, but they aren't in chronological order.
Lastly, it's extremely foolish to criticize ideas you don't fully understand, and yet that, AnonymousMarch 5, 2019 at 8:16 PM, is exactly what you just did. The only way the left, and often Stanton, can win an argument, is with withdrawal, excommunication, and from the left it's profanity and lies. 'If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end in doubts; but if he will be content to begin with doubts, he shall end in certainties.'Francis Bacon And, a woman with an attitude like yours is one that every smart, virtuous, and wise man stays FAR away from. 'It… Read more »
Ah so I see you are you are coming from. You are a narcissistic conservative who weaponizes your politics, religion, and your belief in a being that may not even exist in order to make yourself feel superior to the opposite sex. You then quote a specific number of books you have “read” to make yourself appear more intelligent than your opponent, while stating your twisted opinion as facts by following them with quotes that are irrelevant to the conversation. Then proceed to attack your opponent directly and supply a scripture as justification to the reader for your actions. The… Read more »
*where you are coming from
AnonymousMarch 5, 2019 at 9:41 PM Ah, so you are simply repeating the Marxist claptrap the media and schools have been filling your mind with from girlhood. Well, you came to the wrong site. You have zero arguments, like Stanton, have absolutely no factual data to support your beliefs, but stubbornly and passionately cling to them in the face of tremendous evidence to the contrary. That's insanity. However, the therapist you recommend for me, is from the left wing, and they are as lost as you are. That's about the 100th time I've had the word 'narcissist' thrown at me,… Read more »
It's doubtful you've got 20 books on your house written before 1950, based on your opinions. You could be CNN, because you parrot every bit of drivel they say daily. You obviously don't read, and you are too lazy to start. So, you hate to learn, and you insist on forcing your nonsense views on others, who do the work to learn. May have worked for bullies at school, but it won't work on here. You can take your pretentious and conceited ideas right back where you came from, because no one is buying them on here. Sophism was tried… Read more »
https://thereligionofpeace.com/ You aren't a strong woman at all, let me disabuse you of that idea. You are a stubborn, rebellious, and weak woman, who has no idea what she is doing or saying. Strong women don't talk and act like you. They are in obedience to God, they are meek, mild, not brassy, bossy, and boisterous. They aren't trying to dictate anything to men, they are teaching other women and children, which is a role that you are neglecting, wasting my time trying to teach me things you have never learned. Being neglected isn't a woman's fault, but it is… Read more »
Just what I expected. A long drawn out response in an attempt to distract the reader from the real problem here. You. I am aware this blog is supposed to be about the Stanton church, but I have decided to focus on your attack on women and your problems, as you seem to be deflecting. That seems to be what you are good at. Deflecting. In an attempt to ignore that you have a problem you attack me instead. This is common in people who refuse to admit they are wrong. Your creative name calling is interesting as well, are… Read more »
A brawling woman never knows when to be quiet. Do you realize how silly you look? You literally dismissed information that would take at least 3 full days to fully digest, and you keep right on talking. The impudence of your type is mind boggling. But you don't get it, because no one taught you on impudence. You have a perverse mind, that's clear, because you don't object to some of the garbage on here earlier, and it's likely it was actually you, because you showed up at the same time. So when we deal with those who use drugs… Read more »
Deflecting is a good word, and its what you are doing. You have massive data and facts proving points right in front of you, and you….wait for it…deflect. Beautiful. Like Stanton you begin conversations by telling people they have a problem, when the real problem is your bossy and brawling attitude and lack of understanding. I mean, it's embarrassing. You just had nearly 50 sentences come your way, and you have no idea about half of them, and you keep right on talking. Do you think we all don't realize you are overwhelmed, as you ought to feel, and are… Read more »
Further, a narcissist likes to talk about themselves. In your comment, you had 14 sentences, including 2 with only 1 word, and you used the word I 4 times.
In my responding comment, there were 50 sentences, and the word I was used 6 times. The percentage of sentences you used I in was 29%, nearly a third of the time, and as for yours truly, it was 12%. So, we can see who is a narcissist.
Please stop with the whole woman thing Anonymous. You'll never change his mind and we can see right through the woman hating and the mental issues here. Just leave it alone and let's get back to the stuff this blog is about because some people just have to have the last word (or dissertations).
Is someone going to get the March Week discussions to Kevin again? It'd be fun to hear the new rules.
Hosea 4:11 whoredom and wine and new wine takes away the heart. Whores and wine have the same effect in that they make the individual that partakes in them believe that they are more than what they really are, and that life is going to be easy for them, in short it deceives them. Proverbs 7 tells of the murdering whore and how she uses the deceitful recruiting practice of flattery upon her victim and proverbs 23:29-35 tells us of the decieveing effects wine has upon an individual. Wisdom is a wine that deceives the simple into believing the are… Read more »
We can't really go a day without the mixed up lies and snake oil solutions of Arizona. Thank you for your daily contribution. Muddled, as usual, but as long as you are fine with it. Never drank a day in my life, and repented of fornication years ago, but we have to listen to you drone on and on with your false accusations. Shotgun approach. Throw a lot of filth, and hope something sticks. It's just you hate the truth and anyone who speaks it. It's a common theme in the history you never learned. I'd be very disturbed if… Read more »
AnonMarch 6, 2019 at 1:55 AM Kindly disagree with points. If anything you read is false, correct it. If not, don't dismiss ideas because you don 't like them. Facts don't care about your feelings. Truth sounds like hate to those who hate truth. A Stanton parrot. Allege hate and mental issues, and dismiss an entire argument. The female leaders in Stanton are notorious for doing this, and the male leaders are too. When facts are presented, either present your own facts to disprove them, or state why you disagree. It's pride to emotionally dismiss ideas you cannot reasonably dismiss.… Read more »
Dear reader, Arizona has been a regular contributor on here for years. There have been many good contributions from him on the 'Tow Truck Preacher', which it turns out is likely DS. Interesting facts we heard from nowhere else. Mostly, what he posted was insightful. However, when he began launching attacks, without justification on my comments, as he repeated again, with no factual reasons for doing so, it simply couldn't be tolerated. Truth is like a lion, it can defend itself, and it should never sit quietly, when under attack, with the exception of extraordinary circumstance, such as Christ being… Read more »
Since our friend Arizona, and the feminist invader use left wing identity politics, here is a 5 minute video on the tactic. When you can't win an argument, call your opponent a racist, a sexist, a misogynist, a hater, etc…. Or, if you are Stanton, call them Korah, proud, lustful, and on and on.
https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/273032/video-how-debate-right-wingers-frontpagemagcom
'If they attack you personally, it means they have not a single political argument left'
Margaret Thatcher
But Monte you have been on the attack mode for days against women. I just read every single comment under this feed. The majority of them are from you & mostly about your negativity towards women…but then you post a quote saying 'If they attack you personally, it means they have not a single political argument left'…The grown up thing to do is agree to disagree. You can't throw insults and not expect to get a reaction out of people. That's not the point of this blog by any means nor is it what Donna's video was about. Maybe you… Read more »
AnonymousMarch 6, 2019 at 2:21 PM Another straw man argument. Never attacked women. Attacked societies destroying God's design for man and women. 'Negativity'. Modern women use this word to describe ideas and facts they don't like. Again, facts don't care about your feelings. Rather than try and change facts and reality, try to change your attitude towards them. It's pride that tries to create alternate realities, and refuses to acknowledge objective truth, and that is your issue. You didn't disagree with a single fact I posted, complain about how long it is, when the truth is always pretty thorough and… Read more »
He did start his own blog but nobody read it. He resorts to personal attacks when confronted with his behavior a predicable response of the arrogant. Envy? Envy is the product of comparing, in his video before the city council he opens with stating his desire for a bazooka, a machine gun, and a rifle. He mentions this desire three times, indicating it is a truth that he desires this symbol. All three weapons are phallic symbols and what he is saying is that he desires a large phallus which is envy, which comes from comparing and where would he… Read more »
Can you do math? This site, while devoted to a narrow audience, has 262,000 page views in 7 years. My site has 140,000 in 6 months. Did you graduate from Algebra 2? Dear Arizona, Can you please clear up your lies about Gary Preman and the massive errors contained on your last comment in regard to the Separation of Church and State? We all make mistakes, but when you publicly lie or make unforced errors, you ought to be man enough to publicly correct them. Otherwise, stop quoting the Bible, because you are a fake Christian. Christians correct their errors.… Read more »
Then, you continue with your lies alleging nonexistent addictions, but this is nothing new for you. According to you, Gary Preman has homosexual fantasies. Hopefully Arizona withdrew from you. I was withdrawn from for walking disorderly, but you are doing that right now, repeatedly. You were asked 2 questions above. Are you able to read and respond? You haven't read and responded to a single question on here that I noticed. But, you have no shortage of comments. LOLOLOL. Then you are on to your next lie, alleging I used drugs, when I never did in my entire life. My… Read more »
Your memory is faulty.
#2 Lied above and said the Separation of Church and State barred criticizing homosexuality in public. It's no where in the Constitution, and it doesn't mean anything close to what he said it does. This is more a blunder, but it is still a departure from truth. He had the truth pointed out and explained to him, and he refuses to correct his error. 3) Alleges upholding the 2nd Amendment and carrying weapons to defend oneself from the government is a desire for bestial anatomies, the likes of which no reasonable man or woman in history ever mentioned. The Bible… Read more »
Montesquieu and Anon??? All points have been read. You all are not going to agree or persuade the other. If I’m not mistaken Montesquieu point on women began with how the women in the cult really are the head of it. First Merie, now KS. So let’s get back to exposing Merie’s cult, a source of healing and comfort for any who have been adversely affected by the cult. Proper understanding of scripture that was wrongly taught by Merie’s cult as well.
It's understandable that not all will be persuaded, but everyone on here should be opposed to liars, and our friend from Arizona is a serial liar. Everything true anyone on here says against Stanton is tainted if we allow him, because Stanton will sit and laugh at us for tolerating the most absurd and ridiculous ideas, that he consistently spouts. Imagine how silly and stupid we look for tolerating him saying Gary Preman has homosexual fantasies. The idea that we tolerate any ideas, no matter how corrupt, is totally bogus. We all should be held to a standard of truth.… Read more »
Craig I agree…Anon 2:21 pointed out to agree to disagree. Wise statement. That should be the end of the topic. It seemed to start about the cult women but turned into ones opinion of women in general. I think consideration from others should be well thought before commenting on this blog. It is okay to agree to disagree. Stanton is known for shoving their words down your throat & it's their way or no way. There's a lot of good discussions on this blog. Let's remember why we are all here & not go backwards.
Montesquieu, I agree we should be opposed to liars. Hopefully everyone will be honest with their comments. Merie’s cult are liars by omission as well as their greatest lie that they are the one and only true church. What they fail to reveal about their history and their unbiblical rules is a travesty. People considering joining the cult should be made aware of what they are truly getting involved in.
Words become flesh, that is what a person speaks become a self fulfilling prophecy that is just one of many reasons to be careful of what you say. Resorting to references of beastiality to win an argument is low even for an unclean man, and I do not ency his future. Proving your superiority be writing people names showing that you do not have to follow the rules politely asked for by it founder only goes to show that one has no boundaries and is worthy of no respect. Please continue to focus all of your attention on me because… Read more »
AnonymousMarch 7, 2019 at 5:04 PM It's not bullying to request you tell the truth. It's something most of us learned in childhood. I'm sure you don't appreciate people lying about you, and I'd appreciate it if you stopped doing it to multiple people on here and people in Stanton. Hypocritically, though you've used my name multiple times, you now are concerned about the name of one of the men you lied about being used. Lie #6: Said I referred to bestiality when I never did. Misspelled it too. Like I said, every comment you post simply increases the number… Read more »
Happy National Women's Day!!
Too soon lol? 😉
AnonymousMarch 8, 2019 at 7:53 AM Please stop promoting Communism and Marxism on a Christian website. You have no idea what you are talking about. Please read a book about Marxism. Mr. Arizona, the serial liar, needs to read that book too. Marxists are liars, corrupt, and trouble makers. Sums up Mr. Arizona precisely. Great book on Communismhttps://www.abebooks.com/book-search/title/the-naked-communist/author/skousen/ Note: The reader is warned not to use Jeff Bezos's Amazon anymore. Not only is the man a corrupt adulterer, who has no intention of changing and doesn't apologize for anything he's done, but he owns the Washington Compost, which stupidly lies… Read more »
Monte you are too easy to get a rise out of it's comical for the rest of us lol maybe you should take a vacation!! Life doesn't have to be so serious & not everything deserves a response!
Bless your heart!!
AnonymousMarch 8, 2019 at 9:39 AM You have to be dull and dimwitted not to be outraged and angry at 40 million people murdered by communism. I know ignorance is bliss, but I wouldn't boast of that to anyone, and I wouldn't recommend your apathy to others either. Not sure what kind of life you lead, but the life of apathy and willful ignorance never ends well. I'd prefer to live in a state of awareness and truth, no matter how much suffering and pain it entails, then to live in a stupor, where my senses are deadened, and my… Read more »
Again..bless your heart!! If you must know I live a very full & happy life! I am married to the love of my life with 3 incredible children! You seem to pass an awful lot of judgments on people's comments to this blog. You're right though ignorance is bliss. Oh and both my spouse & I are registered Republicans with strong Christian beliefs & morals. No communist over this way. I will pray for you!!
Glad to hear you are happily married with 3 children, and are Registered Republicans with strong Christian beliefs. That said the Republican party and the Christian church is full of willful apathy. A friend of mine called me last night, as a concerned Citizen from the East Coast paid around $40,000 to buy 400 Founders Bibles, written by David Barton. It's the Bible the Founders of America read and what led them to create the greatest and most powerful nation in world history. https://thefoundersbible.com/. She asked me to reconnoiter to Berkeley, to arrange with local churches to pass them out… Read more »
. This went on for 20 minutes, and I'm earnestly examining the architecture of the building, trying to learn something in my time here. It was a very well build building. Finally, Russ comes back and tells me Lauren is here after all. So, I go back and introduce myself to her. She has been behind me the whole time and has no doubt observed my wondering observations of all the going on's. If she is evaluating my spirituality on how much swaying and jumping up and down I've been doing, I must appear to her to be a heathen,… Read more »
While Women's day is a huge hoax, yet, Vladimir Putin was totally right for thanking Russian women for staying beautiful, and taking care of the home. A lesson Stanton can profit from. I understand health issues come up, but women sitting around and neglecting exercise is inexcusable in a marriage, as it is with men. These women who won't take care of exercise or their home, are often all up into other people's business and affairs. Sad that Russia is far more Christian than America today. How did we get here? Just 30 years ago, Russia was still Communist and… Read more »
Further, the reason why we have Marxist thinkers infecting the Democrat party, and all over this site with Feminism, lies, and no knowledge of history, is because our school systems, particularly our colleges, are full of Marxist thought.
Our friend from Arizona went to College, and is on here demonstrating how he is a Marxist pawn. Lies, uses corruption, and is full of guile. And he paid money for that. Or maybe he didn't. The Colleges are good at taking tax payer and money and using that to pay themselves to brainwash the unwitting dupes.
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2019/03/marxism_the_frankfurt_school_and_the_leftist_takeover_of_the_college_campus.html
We are very close to a full blown Civil War, though the media, which influences nearly all of our family and friends, has kept that hush hush. The time period we are in is very similar to Germany before Hitler, Russia before Lenin, China before Mao, and France before the French Revolution. It's alarming, because mass horrors followed soon after. Of course, with God, we can do anything, but he never told us to be foolish and unwitting. Knowledge is powerKnow thine enemies. Bad enough we have to deal with Stanton's totalitarianism, but the totalitarianism of the Left is even… Read more »
Wrong comment link above.
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/03/a_reminder_that_the_only_thing_standing_between_us_and_the_lefts_neocultural_revolution_is__trump.html
No, Lynn, nothing recent, wondering about the withdrawals of 1980. God sends chastisement to make chaste, but Stanton won't learn. They stubbornly insist that they are right, and that this website is proof that the end of the world is coming. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez isn't the only conspiracy theorist on the end of the world. They like to talk about Noah, but Noah was righteous and did not denigrate salvation. Stanton does. We do not see Noah ever stand up to make a confession, but in Stanton's world, if you don't do this, there is no salvation from the flood about… Read more »
The problem with Stanton's leaders is the same with King Uzziah. He was a powerful King, and it went to his head. This is the problem with TC, KS, and GP too. When Uzziah was corrected on a matter, he became enraged, attacked those telling him the truth and got leprosy. Interesting parallels. Uzziah wanted to burn incense in the temple, an act only allowed for the priests. Stanton wants to alone be responsible for people's salvation, neglecting God. Uzziah got leprosy, and Stanton has spiritual leprosy, as no one will join them. The topic of this May Trip was…..wait… Read more »
Dear Stanton leaders, you can run, but you can't hide. Your day of reckoning is coming, and it's not because of the world's wickedness. Your job is to offer salvation, and you are doing a horrible job of it, as you are the Prodigal Son's older brother. Jealous of those who God forgives. Funny, envy and jealousy were discussed today, and the Stanton leaders have a lot of it. I have no problem admitting I'm wrong and repenting, but the Stanton leaders can't be corrected at all. All the while they screech and holler that others can't be corrected and… Read more »
Also, truth is more important than unity. STanton always says they are telling the truth, and they are. They are telling TC's, KS's, and GP's truth, but they aren't telling the truth of the New Testament, which showed Christ heal many of severe spiritual and physical illnesses, and promised those who believed would be able to be healed, and that his Word could heal just as much, if not more than him. Stanton stubbornly rejects this. It doesn't seem fair to them that all their good works don't get them the upper seats, and so they are in a constant… Read more »
Oh yes, the lesson today was also on how those who aren't apart of Stanton aren't 'happy'. I'm very happy, but, unlike Hollyweird, I don't go around flashing meaningless sincere looking smiles. To judge a person's 'happiness', on how they look to us, is nonsense. This is a huge problem in churches, the leaders proclaim that those who agree with them are 'happy', and no one else is. Christianity is about facts, wisdom, knowledge, and truth, not feelings. Remember how happy and wonderful Jesus felt on the cross? Yes, neither do I, because it was kind of agonizing, and he… Read more »
When I went back I could never understand the cutting off of family and friends, not that we would unequally yoked, but to completely cut them off of communication. I read this – Luke 16:7-9 And I say unto you, Make to yourselves friends of the mammon of unrighteousness; that, when ye fail, they may receive you into everlasting habitations. Our friends and family have our backs and I believe through God. That steward knew that if he made good with the clients that if he got fired they would more than likely help him. V4 I am resolved what… Read more »
I agree with your overall points concerning the church leaders! Furthermore, telling folks they can’t/shouldn’t go on this site is an admission of guilt. Stanton’s leaders could give Mao’s China a challenge when it comes to censorship and narrative control. One of Mao’s famous quotes reads as follows “To read too many books is harmful”:An eerily similar sounding mantra of Stanton leadership. Like…what exactly are they trying to stop their lovely members from reading? Don’t believe your lying eyes.
Outstanding quote by Mao. Stanton does this constantly. Reading books is not recommended. Neither is reading the Bible and coming to conclusions the teachers don't agree with.
Montesquieu great points. Anything else you heard from the big meeting please share. I’ll be asking my sources. Anyone who had accessibility to any discussions and or talks I’d like to be entertained with listening to them. Incredible neither paid preacher gave a talk. Fire them Stanton. Regime Change, I agree admission of guilt with threats to members if the read this blog. What do they not want their members to find out? Come on GP what are you hiding from your members?? I’ll answer for you GP since you don’t have an answer or won’t give one. Merie cult… Read more »
I'm sure he is not ready to give an answer Craig.
A question to the reader. Can Unity remain pure if it is forced through fear or coercion? If I agree with you because I’m not allowed to disagree ,I am not in unity with you.They were talking about unity at their so called “May trip” but the the real word they were expounding upon was conformity. 1jn 4:18 explains how unity works in Christians through love. The leaders love to use Philippians 2:2 as justification and contend that every little wild rule they make must be adhered to or else. A reasonable person will definitely disagree on things with a… Read more »
Anon 6:16 no doubt GP is not ready to give an answer. Question, how many elders were chosen from the big cult unity meeting?
Big Fat Zero. The leaders are way to power hungry to actually seed a modicum of control.
Anon 7:19 another year, no deacons, no elders, no new congregations, no growth. What about rules though. I’m sure they established a new rule? Lol
Its amusing seeing some of these commenters pointing out others fallacious reasoning, but blind to their own logical fallacies. Comments filled with one liners, and tidbits of different authors sprinkled throughout their empty tirades, totally lacking any real substance, but filled with esoteric language used to create an impression of truth or plausibility. You get a sense of sympathy watching a mind burdened with sin ,desperately trying to fight its way up to the surface to breath, much the way a person slowly sinking in quicksand does. The thrashing only makes it worse, and when you try to help them,… Read more »
Et tu BruteMarch 11, 2019 at 11:01 PM Vague claims, accompanied with typical Stanton tropes of 'a mind burdened with sin', 'I just hope you never have to ask for drops of water to cool your tongue', 'totally lacking any real substance'. You Stanton representatives stand out like a sore thumb. It's hard to come up with reasons to support your conclusions because for 40 years Stanton's leaders have encouraged members to accept their dictates and not question them or ask for reasons. So, you are kind of helpless when you have to obey your Bible and 'prove all things'.… Read more »
Can you expose or respond to the pointed allegations made against Stanton leaders on this site please: instead of sweeping generalized attacks on us all. I appreciate your presence on this site. I support varying points of view. Do you?
It is laughable the fantasies the arrogant use to entertain themselves with.
Your a little slow on the reproof, old man, could have used that two weeks ago, before the battle now your just comming out of the woods to kick the wounded for self satisfaction and not for the love of others. I do struggle with sin,but at least I put up a fight. One liner was out of line and I should apoligize to Ryan for implying he is an idiot. I reference different books and authors so the source of knowledge is clear and not from the Bible or my own imagination. Tic toc yes time is always moving… Read more »
While I have your attention let me run this chain of reasoning through your mind: in Daniel 5 Belshazzar promises to make anyone the third rule if the can interpret his visions, which Daniel did. The position of third ruler would be after King and queen the number one and number two positions of authority in a kingdom. In Revelations 4:4 it speaks of the four and twenty elders, twelve of which are the apostles as Christ stated in Matthew 28 but the other twelve are left unnamed but is it implied that they would be the wives of the… Read more »
For as much as they went on about it, the congregation I attended consisted of people who all were "respecters of men," in the sense that it was obvious to anyone with eyes to see that preferential treatment, or lack of it, was given based solely on the perceived status of an individual. Those individuals who seemed "lowly," or were exceedingly timid, mild or humble, often attracted spiritual bullying from those who seemed to enjoy throwing their weight around, and those individuals who exuded inner strength and projected confidence — surprise! — were not bothered. So the whole organization just… Read more »
I can second your experience Anon 10:08. It's pretty rich how a Stanton leader comes on this site using the moniker e tu Brute. Stanton rulers have consistently stabbed their comrades in the back. As soon as your out of favor your name is mud. Furthermore, he basically says we're all going to hell even though he doesn't know what goes on in our personal lives, and it appears, he takes pleasure in believing that. Unbelievable.
Anon 11:04, I have a lot. For starters GP is a self proclaimed control freak. Perfect qualifications for a cult leader. For members that is who you are truly following. Believe it or not. GP, PP, TC and KS make rules of them and or are continuing to enforce Merie’s rules. You are followers of man. Christ’s doctrine has been transgressed by this cult. Christ not God has anything to do with it. It’s a dead church (cult).
Very true, Craig. We are in a culture that celebrates abortion, porn, and homosexuality, and while Stanton has nothing to say in public, they are bothering about how many times to break the unleavened bread. It boggles the mind. No wonder why they can't add anyone. Who in the world gives two hoots about how many times the unleavened bread is broken, when nearly half the kids in America are born in homes without a married father? Does anyone think those fatherless kids give a care about how many times GP's precious unleavened bread gets broken?
Though they won't admit it, SCOC is matriarchal in nature, and has been since its inception as a denomination. And sitting atop this hierarchy is KS, not GP or TC. She alone has the final say on all matters. She alone is their highest authority. And while perched atop her pinnacle, from which she surveys all of the so-called "autonomous" congregations, she rules absolutely, like a jealous deity in her own self-made universe.
AnonymousMarch 13, 2019 at 12:22 PM Truth, Didn't initially think this, but Stanton's discipline is like that of a woman. Withdrawal is a supreme form of Silent Treatment, and we know which gender employs that tactic. Used to admire KS, and still do admire many of her righteous attributes. However, she has emasculated hundreds of men with her domineering nature, and her constant demands for control. She dominated Bible Classes in Stanton for decades, and the men sat helplessly by. So Stanton never grew. And they won't. The Stanton representatives who do come on here, have a woman's response. One… Read more »
The men in Stanton are frequently figureheads. They represent the women's issues. If a man says what the Bible really says on a topic, and the women don't agree, he will be in severe trouble with Stanton. Learned this from personal experience. The women will claim he said it 'disagreeably'. We all know some women will never hear the truth, and will always call it 'disagreeable'. The woman's opinion is fickle and varied, and that is why God decreed she be in subjection to her husband. Women in America 100 years ago knew this, and were happy, protected, safe, and… Read more »