Thanks Donna for taking the time to do these videos!
Please follow and like us:
Donna Bennum – Part III
About the Author: Kevin
Writer, imperfect Jesus-follower, cryptocurrency fan, marketer. Passionate about liberty, faith, family, marriage, foster care, and adoption. $BTC $DGB
It's commendable that you objected to Stanton, and had the courage to speak out, however, many go too far to the other side. Stanton is way too legalistic, granted, however, Benjamin Rush was a very wise Doctor and a Founder of America, and he didn't agree with drinking at all either, and he had nothing to do with Stanton. America already pays $700 billion a year for drug, tobacco, and alcohol issues, per the CDC, and we sure could use that $700 billion for other purposes. Rush's book is here, I apologize for not being able to find it without… Read more »
Montesquieu-My main problem with Stanton's rule of no alcohol is the fact that they take the ability away from the Christian to MONITOR THEMSELVES. The saying they have used often, "You can't throw the baby out with the bathwater!" I have Christian friends who don't/won't drink but that is their choice. Stanton oppresses by taking away the freedom of the individual. Bill even asked one of the evangelists about having a glass of wine with his wife (me). He was told he would just have to be careful it didn't become common knowledge. (Stanton and it's secrecy….). As I have… Read more »
We agree that their totalitarian tactics leave a lot to be desired, however, on alcohol, personally, I'm convinced taking away that choice is a very good thing. Libertarians, and the majority of Christians and conservatives disagree with me on this, however, the cost of alcohol legalization and acceptance is far higher than prohibiting it. Even if we can use it responsibly, there are many around us who cannot. No one will ever say they got into alcohol problems because of my example, because I never used it. Stonewall Jackson was asked about why he never used alcohol, and he said,… Read more »
Donna, the paid preacher (evangelist) who said what he said concerning drinking wine to your husband proves that they do not consider it a sin. They would never tell a member to go ahead and sin. Makes you wonder how many other teachings would be similar. Disagree with you Montesquieu though I do not drink alcohol I think Kevin’s article on the matter is pretty convincing. Drunkenness is the sin. The cult in that matter of drinking wine simply teach to go the extra mile and abstain completely. Just as television. Trust me members have televisions and as MM in… Read more »
Wow, Interesting, Craig. Would have never dreamed MM has a television. Incredible to think he's watching very worldly people on hellivision, who don't give a rip about the Church of Christ, while shunning those of us who are interested in Christianity, and live it every bit as good as he does. It's great you don't drink alcohol. Kevin and I disagree on the point of banning alcohol and television in church. I wouldn't mind banning alcohol in America. Paying $200 billion a year for prohibition, as opposed to the 10,000 who die from drunk driving annually and the $740 billion… Read more »
Montesquieu, MM as far as I know does not have an actual TV, rather a device that would virtually turn his computer into one. Anyhow with the smart phones you can have tv right on it to if you wanted it. Firm believer tv as with the internet, books, magazines, etc. it’s not the devices it’s what you put on them. Do they consume your mind and time? All falls back to the individual and what they allow to enter into their minds.
Thanks for the vids Donna! Expose expose expose!
About Tattoos…. There has been a lot of feedback after my video where I mentioned having tattoos, so I would like to address this subject. Most choose Leviticus 19:29 to try to prove Christians should not have tattoos. Leviticus 19:28 reads: Ye shall not make any cuttings on your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the Lord. From the context of the verses around this scripture this was instructions given to the Jews on how to not become as the heathen/idol worshippers in the lands around them. Other commands in adjacent scriptures were “… Read more »
Donna, well done!!
Thanks for sharing again Donna. In the end, we do look to scripture and there is nowhere that says drinking alcohol is a sin nor is getting a tattoo. We can't go by somone else's conscience on these things. If they bother you, don't do them. If they don't bother you, in moderation so you don't get drunk and cause yourself to sin. We can have scientific facts but in the end none of it matters if it's not a sin. We're out of Stanton now, let's not place rules where there aren't any.
M Long- I agree! If you like being bound by Stanton’s rules- go back to that prison. Don’t try to oppress those on here who seek liberty in Christ. I served too many years in bondage, and I could care less how many poles and statistics you can share. And “necessary inference” is used by Stanton to prove anything they desire it to prove. Christ gave us the perfect law of liberty. James 1:25- let’s leave it to do the perfect work.
Yes Donna you are SO right!!
Loved your video Donna!! You are so right!! This cult is so oppressed & is most definitely a prison!! Cheers to you!!
M Long so true. I’d read where Merie thought playing with balls was can’t remember the exact word but she was against it. Her opinion, her conscience which spread to members. I grew up playing organized athletics. Boxing, baseball, football, basketball and wrestling. The cult teaches it instills pride. It will steal your children’s hearts, mind and soul. Lack of discretion. Blah blah blah. The teacher in Portland ST children participate in organized athletics and they are all just fine. Hopefully all will remain nonmembers of the cult. The cult instills pride in its members by feeding the lie that… Read more »
Necessary inference rules out drinking alcohol and getting a tattoo. Some haven't quoted a scripture on this site ever, so it's pretty clear their feelings are doing their thinking for them. 'The road to hell is paved with good intentions'. If you think it's oppressive to not have a television or to avoid adult beverage, you haven't really studied the harms of both. Never mind Stanton, there are plenty of people, christian, non-christian, liberal, and conservative, who strongly disagree with alcohol and television. There are a lot of people who leave Stanton, and if you happen to agree with Stanton… Read more »
And why is it that some are so forward about calling for their liberty to drink adult beverage and tattoo their bodies, but when we have a full blown liar in the midst, which Arizona has been busy doing for awhile, they have nothing to say? Just goes to show we have lots of selfish Christians, who could care less about what is right and wrong, but only care about having fun.
Seeing that we only have both of your words to go on, and no way of verifying what either of you are saying, its probably best to not pick sides in this feud.
AnonymousMarch 17, 2019 at 3:44 PM
Anyone who can read and critically think can understand Arizona is lying, and he uses the most vile, libertine speech as well.
9 of his lies are posted on the last post, multiple times. Unless you are lazy and hate to read and think, you can easily tell he's a liar.
No, Anon is right. I read both of your comments, and I just see both of you pointing fingers at each other calling the other one sinner and liar, with no real proof either side is lying.
You're also using faulty reasoning by suggesting that if we don't see things your way, we can't read or critically think. Maybe the case is that, you're just wrong.
Monte wrong?!?!! There is no such thing!!
Agree with both Anon comments.
Watch out if you post Anonymous you are automatically labeled a liberal democrat & nothing you say is correct!! An you will be labeled Arizona..whoever that is. Whatever happened to everyone is allowed to have their own opinions & thoughts? Instead you are judged by someone behind a keyboard who does not know you from the man on the moon.
AnonymousMarch 17, 2019 at 5:09 PM
Most likely a Stanton plant. Good job though. You hide very well.
Go read the lies he told, and explain why one lie he told is not actually true.
Just like Stanton you draw conclusions and throw the facts under the bus. You never change.
AnonymousMarch 18, 2019 at 9:17 AM
LOL, probably another Stanton plant. Read carefully, I've admitted I was wrong plenty of times.
If you read EVERYTHING before running your mouth, you'd understand and wouldn't ridicule ideas and things you are too lazy to make the effort to comprehend.
All we have to do is google your name to see the nut job you are..you fit right in with this cult!! Stick to selling insurance.. I'm sure you make a perfect sales guy!!
Wait..you're all about your 1st amendment of freedom of speech right?! So let us alljust keep running our mouths!!
AnonymousMarch 18, 2019 at 4:29 PM Ah yes, because Google is a reliable source, said no wise person ever!! Matter of fact, every person who tells the truth is hated by Google and called crazy. Haha, how can you not know this? LOL! Just Google Donald Trump and all the terrible CNN articles about him will pop up. Do you really think that's by accident? The people at Google think Americans are really stupid, and I'm inclined to think that maybe Google is right. Even the left wing USNews says Google is dangerous. https://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2016-06-22/google-is-the-worlds-biggest-censor-and-its-power-must-be-regulated Like the Stanton followers, you are… Read more »
This is 100% a cult.
You are literally the 1% who disagrees & is combative regarding every.single.sentace that is put on this blog. You play the victim man!! Every time you reply its literally the exact same statements. You need a life!
AnonymousMarch 18, 2019 at 7:06 PM You can die fighting on that hill. More power to you. Exaggeration and a Straw man logical fallacy. I'm not combative over every single sentence, but critical thinking requires thought, which it appears you are allergic too. Just because you disagree with untrue statements is not a bad thing, though Plato did say , "No man is hated more than he who tells the truth". It's alright, you have plenty of company. It was people like you who inspired the Founders to give us the First Amendment. They knew people with strong opinions hate… Read more »
How ridiculous all this arguing between two or three people on this blog day after day. Personally I skip their comments getting down to read others as the three simply bore me and what are they accomplishing ? Hello! Nothing! While others make comments and their comments make sense .and The videos are informative and so sad but true! I think Ryan needs to get away from the computer and get some sunshine and exercise and drink water. It will change yours attitude and meet people away from the church/cult. Oh yes, I am waiting for him to tear apart… Read more »
Concerned OutsiderMarch 19, 2019 at 11:10 AM How about you become concerned about the truth? If any say something false, correct them. If not, why are you bothered? Do I become your enemy because I tell you the truth? We've had hundreds of frustrated outbursts from those who can't logically defend their beliefs at all, but simply emotionally explode at those who disagree with them factually. Well, facts don't care about your feelings, CO. What led you to believe this site was a popularity contest? If you skip our comments, then why did you read and respond to them right… Read more »
No I am not Stanton and never would be. I am outside looking in because I have family in this cult. Some have gotten out thank goodness. I was even duped into thinking from outside it was good for them to have a church family even if several things were odd to me (like no holidays and not going to a funeral or wedding in another church) because there were positives I could see. Faithfulness,friends,manners,loving the Lord. Little did I know all these strange things were going on.
Craig I agree that pride is so elevated in Merie's church despite their constant teaching of it. They are so proud in their thinking that they are the one group of people going to heaven. It seems to make them feel they can get away with their injustices. Necessary inference is something the Weiss cult overuses to bind one's conscience. I personally don't care for tattoos, but I'm not telling someone it's a sin where the Bible is silent on this. If any of us wants to play God, well, have at it. Or we can look at ourselves and… Read more »
Well said Craig and I am so proud of you and your journey since leaving the cult! Love from your Mother
Psalm 104:15
And wine that maketh glad the heart of man, and oil to make his face to shine, and bread which strengtheneth man's heart.
One may prudently enjoy the fruit of the vine as one of God's blessings, and not only is it not a sin, it is a celebration of our Lord's spirit and beauty!
Cherrypicking verses. Besides the wine and alcohol of Jesus's day was used as a preservative mostly, and certainly didn't have the alcoholic content of today's alcohol. http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20America/Alcohol%20Kills/god_hates_beer.htm “Whiskey and beer are all right in their place, but their place is in hell. The saloon hasn’t one leg to stand on.” Billy Sunday Proverbs 20:1 – Wine [is] a mocker, strong drink [is] raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise. Galatians 5:21 – Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told [you] in time past, that they which… Read more »
Mr. Osteen, either you're displaying willful ignorance, or you're being deceitful by ignoring the fact that your beloved founders were lovers of the drink themselves. "No wise Christian leader in the past 2,000 years ever celebrated drinking wine or alcohol. But, apparently this site has a few lovers of adult beverage who will fight for 'muh libertea'." History disagrees with you. George Washington, ever heard of him? His whisky distillery made 11,000 gallons per batch. Sam Adams: The precocious Adams was busted drinking rum during his senior year at Harvard. He was fined five schillings, but avoided being “degraded in… Read more »
AnonymousMarch 19, 2019 at 7:27 AM A deceitful liar. Pretty common. In a nation that has lost it's moral compass, one of the Founders said, "All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent." "No government can continue good but under the control of the people; and . . . . their minds are to be informed by education what is right and what wrong; to be encouraged in habits of virtue and to be deterred from those of vice . . . . These are the inculcations necessary to render the people… Read more »
I'm just going to identify the fallacies you commit in your blithering rants. Your unchecked narcissism wont let you have a normal conversation. Genetic Fallacy is your first blunder. Here is the description from GOOGLE. lol Genetic fallacy The genetic fallacy (also known as the fallacy of origins or fallacy of virtue) the genetic fallacy results from attacking the source or origin of information, rather than the information itself. The next fallacy Appeal to Authority.You do this in almost every post, where you spout nonsense and expect everyone to adhere to it because 'muh founders' did it, so it must… Read more »
Outside of your sensationalized emotions, there is little to be gained. Narcissism? You mean criticizing other people anonymously? Is that the narcissism you are talking about? Never heard of a genetic fallacy before. However, you got it wrong, as you completely don't understand the environment in the day of the Founders, and so you blunder into thinking I'm saying they are right just because they began America. That's not the argument at all. It's a lot more involved, so stop being lazy, go to the library, and start reading, before running that big mouth of yours. Have to continually shoot… Read more »
AnonymousMarch 19, 2019 at 4:50 PM
By the way, you sound like you are from Stanton, what church are you from? A well written post.
It's unlikely that anyone not in Stanton would ever say 'That's why the COC doesn't take you seriously'.
Also, like Stanton you pay no attention to details and just write off everything as a rant. GP, TC, and KS do this constantly. Fact free discourse. Silence dissent.
To the reader who is not from Stanton, who can reason, and who doesn't love alcohol and tattoos more than the truth. Notice how when anonymous is accused of being with Stanton, they don't respond, they don't deny, and they simply go back into hiding for their next attack. They try to limit their words, and unload nuclear bombs whenever possible. Like guerillas, they hate to be identified, are too cowardly to face scrutiny, and are too effeminate to debate honestly. Everyone on here from Stanton knows who I am. Virtually no one knows who my anonymous attackers are. Most… Read more »
Excellent points Anon 4:50! I agree that a normal conversation with RM is beyond impossible due to the fallacies committed in his rants. The fallacies you list are spot on when describing his line of defense/attack. I almost said 'line of reasoning'; my bad.
How does anyone know you aren't with Stanton, AOC? You are about as bright as the other AOC, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.
There are no fallacies in my comments that have been revealed by a reasonable thinker, but until you start reading history, that won't be apparent to you. Maybe read twice as much as you talk.
Lots of fact free dismissals of my facts.
You are imitating Stanton. They do it all the time.
It appears Stanton is on this site, sowing discord and walking disorderly.
Two topics they love to withdraw from hapless members for, but which they specialize in.
What church are you from AOC? It doesn't appear anyone on here knows who you are?
In armies at war, when you don't give a password, they shoot you. Why? Because you are likely a spy, trying to sabotage the mission. In like sense, if you don't identify yourself on here, as most of the Stanton and Marxist cowards are fond of doing, no one should take them seriously.
I'm going to change the fallacy from appeal to authority, to "muh founders" from now on. "muh founders" "Anyone who understands the virtue and wisdom of the Founders, compared to leaders today, know the Founders were far advanced" This is nothing more than opinion, so its disregarded. "The appeal to authority does not apply when its easily discerned that the families and churches of early America were in far better shape than today." More fallacies because its possible to know history and not agree with you. " You don't understand the history of the Church of Christ, or America, and… Read more »
The empirical approach. By your reasoning, history didn't happen. Pretty naïve and gullible, but it seems like it works for you. If you refuse to learn about it, it didn't happen. This is your reasoning. Prolly another Stanton member, masquerading. Another anonymous, ahistorical type. If I had $1 for all the comments from your type on here, I'd be rich. What church are you from? Haha, Alleging logical fallacies when you don't know history isn't too bright. Keep at it. You have to actually have studied history and be able to talk about it intelligently to tell someone else they… Read more »
Mr. Osteen You're right. Your little comic books about your human idols you refer to as the founders aren't important to me. I also don't care what you feel I need to read. The only book I read is my Gods holy Bible. You don't read your bible enough and it shows. I only brought up fallacies in response to you squawking about "that's a fallacy, that's a fallacy, that's a fallacy" anytime someone said something you didn't agree with. Its very telling that you play victim when ever your own tactics are employed against you. I must confess, last… Read more »
AnonymousMarch 21, 2019 at 7:30 AM Are you from Stanton, you certainly speak like it. Half truths, don't read anything but the Bible, and full of angry denunciations. You've been corrected already that there is zero correlation between Osteen and myself, but it seems to bring you spiteful pleasure to repeat clear deceitful allegations. Kevin does not find it needful to correct the spiteful, malicious, lying snakes like you, but there are others who tattle about me responding to your type with the indignation your nonsense requires. Long ago, we took your type, stuck you in a corner of a… Read more »
Oh, I'm sorry, forgive me. I wasn't aware I was speaking to the 260 year old French judge Charles-Louis de Secondat, Baron de La Brède et de Montesquieu. The person you call yourself. "Further, it says not to bear false witness, and you compare me fallaciously with Mr. Osteen, repeatedly, even after being corrected." Thank you for the clarification your Honor. Ill be mindful in the future to address you as your honor since you're the real Charles-Louis de Secondat, Baron de La Brède et de Montesquieu, and I don't want to bear false witness. Wow, imagine the delusion going… Read more »
AnonymousMarch 21, 2019 at 11:12 AM You won't share what church in Stanton you are from, Monsieur? Why ever not? As for me, a pseudonym is necessary for the same reason Silence DoGood was used over 200 years ago. Everyone who attends Stanton, or has attended Stanton knows who I am, and that's how I like it. Those who have no business with Stanton, do not. Explaining the Stanton situation to the liberal left Marxists is stupid. They could care less about what is right and wrong, they will use any disagreement to destroy and terrorize the Christian community. Like… Read more »
Anon from Stanton – I'm happy to have you as a participant in this blog. I do think Montesquieu's suggestion that you do so openly rather than from the shadows is a reasonable one. Why not? What do you have to lose?
My motto from day one on this blog has been that truth doesn't need to be afraid of a lie. I've put my thoughts out there for everyone to pick apart and criticize openly. Why not do the same?
You really are insane. First you get offended that I'm not referring to you as your sobriquet. Then when confronted with the absurdity of that, your response is to justify and defend why its fine for you to do it. Even if I told you what congregation I'm from, it wouldn't benefit you at all. The reason I won't tell you is because "As for me, a pseudonym is necessary for the same reason Silence DoGood was used over 200 years ago." You cant seriously think your reason is good enough for you, but arbitrarily say why I cant use… Read more »
Thank you, Kevin. It’s probably because Stanton has practically no one who can get up in a hostile environment and tell the truth. When women run the church, courage and derring do are lacking. Straw man, logical fallacy, anonymous. Nowhere was I offended at you not calling me by my pseudonym. I specifically said calling me Osteen when there’s no reasonable comparison between us is what I object to. Besides, only preachers in your church, who don’t even travel, and aren’t evangelists are paid like Osteen. I’ve never taken a cent for telling the truth. So you posit your logical… Read more »
Anon from Stanton – Let me just say that calling Montesquieu insane doesn't help your case any more than him calling you a liberal Marxist progressive. 🙂 Lol
Tell me the benefit of exposing who anyone is? Do their ideas become less or more true? Is it so you can dismiss or revere them because of their position in the church? Ideas operate independent of their originator.
I don't even know if I'm talking to the same person, Kevin. It started out with a person defending alcohol, and copying and pasting quotes containing profanity. No one from Stanton would do that, that's for sure. I know I didn't call the person from Stanton a liberal Marxist progressive. Just saying…. Not sure I called the other person that either, for the sake of verity. Stanton has a knack for dismissing those who disagree with them, marginalizing them, dehumanizing them, and demeaning them. I never do that. I will be severe, but the end result is a better person.… Read more »
AnonymousMarch 21, 2019 at 3:30 PM
Agreed, however, if you agree with my withdrawal and excommunication, then would it not naturally follow you ought to be able to discuss what the withdrawal was for, and where the Bible says my Withdrawal was scriptural?
Montesquieu, a few scriptures for you to think about. 1 Peter 4:3 Excess of wine (drunkenness), Titus 2:3 not given to much wine (drunkenness), Titus 1:7 not given to wine ((drunkenness), 1 Timothy 5:23 a little wine for the stomach and other infirmities. Timothy was a young man too. 1 Timothy 3:3 and 8 not given to much wine (drunkenness), Ephesians 5:18 be not drunk with wine. Why would Jesus turn water into wine and not something else? Not to dismiss your scriptures Montesquieu. If I’m not mistaken I heard Merie drank wine. I’ve heard others in the cult and… Read more »
Yes, correct, Craig it is drunkenness that is the sin. Not a single verse noted above states that a glass of wine or whatever alcoholic drink you might like is a sin, but rather it is the excess of it that is the sin. Stanton and many who still follow that cult do not at all understand temperance. If they did, they never would have made the phrase "better to err on the side of caution" so popular amongst themselves. They are afraid of temperance and the exercising of personal judgment that temperance requires. However, it is my opinion that… Read more »
Oh Craig and thank you for contributing the additional verses. The cult was so good at that: giving us one-sided verses to prove their point. For all their talk about "context" they actually rarely applied that form of study and preferred picking and choosing what would make their point, not necessarily what the intent of the passage was. In the SA congregation at least, midweek classes were studies that could go weeks on a verse or two. And that was week after week, year after year. Certainly not a good way to study with context.
Try jumping off of a 10 story building and see how effective ignoring the law of gravity is, M. Long. There are natural laws of the universe that were here long before Stanton, and will be here long after. You ignore them to your own peril. It would be nice if you disagreed with people lying as much as you agree with drinking adult beverage. But, we see many people's religion is what feels good. And woe to the person who disagrees with them. It is attitudes like this that are why the lukewarm churches are packed full of people.… Read more »
Monte, I disagree with your assessment on alcohol use and fully understand the Bible speaks of alcohol Abuse to the point of drunkenness. Your points regarding whether alcohol was as "strong" as today's is moot. It doesn't matter if it took 20 glasses to get drunk then compared to 2 today for example, since the point is that drunkenness was the sin. So wine very well must have been able to make people DRUNK at some point, since the Bible states this is the sin, so clearly people were drinking whatever amount to the point of drunkenness. Using statistics etc.,… Read more »
I agree M Long and was just about to say the same. Drunkenness is the sin and not simply the drinking of wine. Christ himself drank alcoholic wine which is why the Pharisees tried to accuse him of being a winebibber, which is another term for an alcoholic or drunkard (Matthew 11:19, Luke 7:34) We know Christ led a sinless life and had to be sinless in order to be the perfect sacrifice for the sins of mankind. Saying that even taking a sip of wine is a sin is to accuse Jesus of sin also. The scriptures on drunkenness… Read more »
Not true, AOC. The Pharisees called Christ a winebibber and also said he had a devil. But we never see him drinking wine or alcohol. The Pharisees constantly lied about Christ and misrepresented him, and we condemn them today. May you profit from their example. It's actually lying to represent Jesus as having drank alcohol when the Bible says no such thing. All of you defending alcohol have left out the scripture that says if my liberty causes my brother to sin, then my liberty is a sin and I won't do it. You may be able to handle alcohol,… Read more »
M Long, the idea that Christians focus their Christianity on defending a societal ill is pretty backwards. Certainly Stanton was dictatorial in plenty of areas, like eating food in the building and breaking the bread, but when it comes to drinking alcohol, we aren't talking about harmless recreational activities. Personally, I'm 100% certain that if Stanton hadn't banned alcohol, there would have been families wrecked by alcoholism. The numbers prove that. So it's better that no one drank, rather than EVEN ONE PERSON BECAME AN ALCOHOLIC. How about talking about the women, men, and children whose lives are wrecked by… Read more »
I knew you were a closet liberal Monte. The truth always comes out. Liars always show their true colors without even knowing it. "So it's better that no one drank, rather than EVEN ONE PERSON BECAME AN ALCOHOLIC. How about talking about the women, men, and children whose lives are wrecked by alcoholism? Let's talk about the babies born with Fetal Alcohol syndrome, where they literally need alcohol when they are born, due to their parents alcoholism. Terrifyingly horrific. A nightmare that is averted when no one drinks." That quote is directly from every liberal handbook and is the epitome… Read more »
Can you reason? You are calling me a liberal when they support homosexuality, Islam, abortion, and pornographer. I oppose all four. Key word that is missing in your arguments, and that is missing in most arguments, is the word virtue. Facts don’t care about feelings. The Democrat party is Marxist and evil. To compare me to Godless heathens is mindboggling, but malice and spite are irrational. May you profit from Cain’s example. All he had to do was change his own behavior. Instead he hated Abel, and attacked him. Abel stood for godliness, Cain stood for doing what he wanted.… Read more »
The 2nd Amendment was created for virtuous and wise people, not people who valued alcohol and drugs over their freedom. The Founders understood a reasoning people were for to carry guns. A nation without alcohol is a reasonable one, a nation with 10,000 deaths a year from alcohol use in driving, is an unreasonable one. Comparing the damage from alcohol use to that from exercising the 2nd Amendment is irrational, as once again, you miss the Spirit of the Constitution and those who wrote it, and frantically scrabble for half baked specious interpretations of it to justify your corrupt and… Read more »
"muh founders" fallacy.
"The Founders understood a reasoning people were for to carry guns."
From your constant word vomiting on this blog a godly man is probably the last thing to describe you as.
"Spirit of the Constitution" that's personal perspective, so its irrelevant and will be ignored.
Don't you just love when people dismiss entire swaths of history because they obviously haven't read or studied it? I do. Happens all the time. The result of a school system that deliberately dumbed down America. Now that people have nothing to reference to compare their current beliefs, they can easily be brainwashed into any nonsense. The Marxists love this. If you want to evaluate any part of politics today, you simply are incapable of doing it if you don't understand the Constitution and those who wrote it. It would be good if you understood a lot more of world… Read more »
If all the time spent on here attacking me for referencing the history of America and the church were spent actually researching the history of America and the church, we'd have some dynamic Christians and historians. But criticizing is easier than laboring. The crabs in a crab barrel constantly try to tear down the one ahead of them to get to the top. It's human nature. Also, the more one learns, the more one will earn the spite, malice, envy, and jealousy of others. Because evil always tries to dogpile good. It is never content to sit silently, it has… Read more »
Montesquieu – I've asked you privately, now I'm asking you publicly to chill a bit, be more contemplative and succinct in your comments, and stop flooding the deck with your words. I am getting daily complaints about you monopolizing the comment section. I understand maybe you've been attacked and feel justified in responding. I'm not saying not to respond sometimes. I'm telling you that you're not accomplishing what you think you are. You're pushing anyone who might listen to you in the other direction. I've helped you set up your own platform, use that in any way you like. But… Read more »
Montesquieu – You seem to take differences of opinion as an attack. I realize that's how Stanton rolls, but I'm trying to model here a better way to show unity here. We've talked many times, and you've come my way on several issues in that time. Think back on it. Was it because I was "right" and argued vehemently? Or was it because I offered my reasoning as persuasively as I could, let you know I appreciate the fact that you feel the way you do, and reaffirmed our brotherhood in Christ despite not seeing eye to eye? I don't… Read more »
Thanks Kevin..this was long overdue. Hopefully he will listen to you..
Well, the liberals daily complain about 'Muh Donald Trump hurt muh feelin's', and we know how legitimate their arguments are. I've complained about 3 ideas. Lying, profanity, personal attacks containing vulgarity, and bringing up the past that already were repented of. Seems common sense. I never objected to anyone stating their opinion. What is wrong with thorough responses? When you are addressing controversial items, addressing all opposition saves time. For instance, here is Lincoln's Cooper's Union address, a masterpiece, and it wasn't short. http://www.abrahamlincolnonline.org/lincoln/speeches/cooper.htm. I know we are in the television age, where people have said on here they don't… Read more »
How very disrespectful you are to Kevin & his blog. He kindly asked to you take a step back & you dismiss him as you do every other person on here with your agenda. Shame on you! Your agenda is not what this blog is intended for as Kevin stated already! Be respectful enough to know when to just be quiet when this is not your platform. You are the complete opposite of Kevin & what Kevin is doing for this blog.
Nobody on this blog talks politics except for Montesquieu. This blog isn't for politics. Some fail to see that.
Thanks Kevin for addressing the cancer in your blog.
I enjoy reading others respectful comments & approaches on this blog.
AnonymousMarch 20, 2019 at 1:11 PM I'm pretty sure Kevin designed this blog as a place where those who Stanton's tyranny imposed upon, to come and congregate, converse, and air our views. Never saw a sign that our views all had to conform to any set standard that had universal acceptance. Can you show me where that sign is? And, I haven't really had a single person personally tell me anything who identified themselves on here. So we have a lot of nameless tattletales who are trying to get rid of people they don't like. Sounds familiar. In Communist Russia,… Read more »
Context is important. You said: "All of you defending alcohol have left out the scripture that says if my liberty causes my brother to sin, then my liberty is a sin and I won't do it. You may be able to handle alcohol, but plenty of others aren't able. So exactly what does 'don't be a stumblingblock' mean to you?" If someone says or does something towards you directly, or in your presence, that offends you then yes, that's a "stumbling-block". Like say if someone takes some alcohol and drinks it in front of you, and you say "that offends… Read more »
Kevin asked you to STOP. Respect that!!
Unless you are Kevin's wife, I'm not going to be quiet.
AOP, when it comes to lies, vulgarity, and slander, you have a point. When it doesn't, there is nothing wrong with free expression. I didn't see the sign at the top that we are in Maoist China, did you see it? Many on here complain of Stanton silencing dissent, but exactly what are you doing?
KEVIN not Kevin's wife..KEVIN called you out…go back & read it. HE asked you to stop. He said he privately spoke to you & is now publicly calling you out. Respect HIM. Nothing to do with his wife.
Montesquieu – And BTW, no one is "tattling" on you other than to say that they are tiring of the barage of thousands of words, including lengthy copy-and-pasted excerpts from other materials. There is wisdom in brevity—and as I've told you before, in email and over the phone, I know this because I have this problem as well. It takes one to know one, and I'll say it publicly here that I see a lot of myself in you as a younger man (not that I'm old…I'm *only* 50 LOL). My wife and I do a lot of mentoring of… Read more »
That's fine, Kevin, we agree on most ideas. I honestly have no idea who is tattling and what are their legitimate disagreements? I'm verbose? Possibly, but no one is complaining about the fleets of lies from hellivision. Ideas shouldn't be discriminated against because of people's feelings. If it's too long for people's tastes, then why are they reading it and telling on me about it? Obviously they are interested in it, and with 2,000 page counts a week, some people are reading it. Speaking rashly is not wise, that's certain, but we speak out of our heart. Restraining speech is… Read more »
Montesquieu – I have no knowledge of people talking behind your back. They don't hate you, and they are not "hysterical anonymous people who keep shrieking and shouting." If you want people to give you the benefit of the doubt, then you need to do the same. No one's screaming for your head or asking me to censor you, although some may like that. I think people are just tiring of your long-winded rants on anything and everything, and the constant bickering about every subject, political or spiritual. Much of it—not all of it— is just beyond the scope of… Read more »
Well, I didn't know this was a safe space. I generally try to avoid those whenever I can, because I retired from Playdoh, therapy dogs, coloring books when I was a child. I thought everyone on here was grown already. I didn't know we had 10 year olds on here. https://pjmedia.com/trending/2016/11/10/u-of-michigan-gives-students-play-doh-coloring-books-to-cope-with-trump/ A grown adult ought to be able to cope with uncomfortable ideas without running for website Mommies and Daddies! We have too many victims and coddled snowflakes in America. The sooner they learn to stand on their own two feet the better it will be for them and for… Read more »
This is good; a necessary check-and-balance. I wondered if Kevin had abandoned this blog and was letting it run on auto-pilot, and now it's been confirmed that is not the case. Montesquieu's heart is in the right place, but yes, as Kevin asserted, it is best if he sharpens his saw and makes his cuts in a more focused, economical fashion. It might be useful to liken Montesquieu's experience in the SCOC to the proverbial 'canary in a coal mine,' insofar as the withdrawal, excommunication, and spiritual death SCOC attempted to impose upon him should have been a warning and… Read more »
Thank you Kevin! You are right in saying "It's also not the right audience or the right communication style for this audience. They've been talked down to and preached at, and had the finger of the preacher pointing at them for too long, and they don't come here to get more of that."
I appreciate your compassion as to what many of us have been through.
Montesquieu – Oh stop. You know I keep it real here. This is no "safe space" for pansies, but it is a place for people who have had their lives severely screwed up by spiritual tyrants, often at ages where they had no choice in the matter. Have some compassion. This is a place they can come to learn about the God of the Bible—not the tyrant they were taught about. I'm not afraid of an argument of any sort. The truth doesn't need to be afraid of a lie. But argument and debate is simply not the purpose and… Read more »
Montesquieu, spot on concerning the preachers and teachers of Merie’s cult. Being challenged by someone who had their number they take the cowardly approach. Though they can dish it like a bully but can’t handle getting punched in the mouth. Typical bully. You are correct on the wine Jesus turned from water as far as I can tell. But why wine and not something else would still be my question?
Thank you, Craig. Exactly right. You see the teachers folded like a cheap suit when Kevin started this site. Becuz they are 'not ready to give an answer'. The NT says to always be ready to give an answer. Not sure about why it was non-alcoholic wine.
Also, we are getting an excellent demonstration on how, when you lack facts, truth, and reasoning, you can sabotage ideas that can be defended with specious, scurrilous, scandalous attacks.
Another tactic Stanton has used for decades.
Don't go into details, don't respond to all charges, simply lob emotional denunciations, and retreat. Pretend that no one likes the member you disagree with, withdraw from them, call them crazy, dismiss them as nonsensical.
Dear Stanton members,
Please try to disguise your methods better. You are too obvious. It's a dead give away. You aren't fooling anyone.
Oh, and let's not forget, when Stanton withdraws, they give the appearance that EVERYONE disagrees with the withdrawn from. In reality, everyone is too terrified to reveal they disagree with the teachers. These are the themes the attackers on here follow. Give the appearance that everyone disagrees with Monte, so no one should take him seriously. For all we know, it could be one person from Stanton, using different names. No one knows who these people attacking me are. We are supposed to take them seriously. Could be bots. AI has perfected bot technology to be able to respond to… Read more »
Montesquieu, very true as you do not have a voice unless you are a teacher or preacher at a withdrawal meeting. Maybe a few questions but has a withdrawal ever not happened when they have a meeting to withdraw. Maybe s rare occasion at best. One in Portland as they were never withdrawn from as they did not attend the meeting. Though a year or so later GP said he still should’ve withdrawn even though the member didn’t attend the meeting. GP said from that point forward to treat the one as they were withdrawn from. I never agreed with… Read more »
No, Craig, you are right. There has never been a withdrawal where the members disagreed and the withdrawal was cancelled. So the whole idea of 'bringing it up before the church to withdraw from so and so is a huge sham.' If the teachers don't like you, they will sow the seeds to get rid of you. Then, it looks natural at the withdrawal, when everyone raises their hands to talk about you. I remember I was astonished to see my dearest friends raising their hands to tattle on me. Went into analysis paralysis trying to figure it out. Fact… Read more »
'Show me the man, and I'll show you the crime'Lavrentiy Beria, head of Joseph Stalin's Secret Police in Marxist Russia. That's Stanton. If they want to get rid of a member, they will make stuff up. I was completely innocent of all charges against me, which were concocted, bogus, and made up. But, for them to lift their withdrawal, they will have to admit they are wrong, which Stanton has shown they are incapable of doing for decades. They don't write withdrawals down. Destroy the evidence. To this day, I've never heard anyone be able to tell me why I… Read more »
M Long, excellent point that I did not consider concerning wine and drunkenness. Though the strength may not of been as it is today what the scriptures reveal is people were getting drunk which is the sin. Not the drinking of it rather the drinking it in excess.
Liberty is not about carnal freedom, but the spiritual freedom to make your own choices with your own conscience. No one here is saying it's okay to go around getting tattoos or getting drunk. The main problem that I see when it comes to this is the MAN-MADE RULES SURROUNDING SIN, not the actual sin itself. That is the spiritual bondage I think people are talking about. In my own research and study about many other churches and cults, just about all of them that tried to do this all ended up with serious problems, and only proves the scriptures… Read more »
Amen! Preach on Advocate! Thanks for staying the topic of this blog….to expose Stanton!
Your comment was refreshing to read compared to a certain trend of oppressive thinking that has been allowed to flourish and prevail here on the blog as of late.
Mostly agree, AOP, however, you left out the word virtue. Without virtue, liberty is impossible.
And that's not just a sentiment of Stanton, that's a sentiment of history.
http://liberty1.org/virtue.htm
It is God who decides what is virtuous, righteous, and pure, because he is pure. Not man. Our righteousness in the face of God is like filthy rags. Even if I did use the word virtue, the point still stands and the wording wouldn't change much. "Instead of teaching the virtues of God and letting people make their own choice, they substitute their own virtues in place of, or above God's." Most, if not all, churches that came up with rules like these did so with the good intentions to try and protect people from something. However you can tell… Read more »
There have been a number of studies showing fundamental Christian churches are growing the fastest, and most of them are not in America, they are in Africa. The response to me on here illustrates why.
Isaiah 30: 9 That this is a rebellious people, lying children (that's you, Mr. Arizona), children that will not hear the law of the Lord:
10 Which say to the seers, See not; and to the prophets, Prophesy not unto us right things, speak unto us smooth things, prophesy deceits:
Montesquieu – Depending on how "fundamentalism" is defined, I could identify myself as a radical, fundamentalist follower of Christ. It is all a matter of how you define "fundamentalist Christian churches." Since I have a son who actually spent a couple weeks in Africa on a mission trip, I can tell you from our conversations that there's a lot of the uneducated form of "fundamentalism" there—meaning a lot of people who think they can speak in tongues, are very charismatic and "conservative" in some measure, but who unequivocally don't know their Bibles. All they "know" is what their charismatic preacher,… Read more »
Fair enough, so why aren't those who are filling this site with lies, half truths, deceit, slander, and other malice being publicly called out? I don't tattle to you in private about them, I deal with them publicly.
Why is it I'm being corrected for writing posts that 'are too long', and that 'people don't like', and these blatant evils are left uncorrected? Seems like a double standard to me.
I have made many appeals to people, both public and private (when I have contact info) to keep a higher level of discourse. I get emails all the time telling me about spam, foul language, or rude comments, and I try to deal with them as I have time and opportunity. I'm sorry you are feeling singled out—you're not, really. You're just the most visible one I'm having to address. It's because you're taking up the largest volume of words in the conversation, turning it into a pulpit for you, not a conversation at all. I realize that may be… Read more »
And as to why I don't respond to every "attack" on you, I simply don't have the time…yet. I am having to triage and pick the problem that needs fixing most urgently, and that is the readability of the blog. Everything else will come after that.
As I can make time, I'll try to respond to "Stanton" attacks on you or others. Drop me an email with links to the most egregious attacks if you'd like.
The purpose of the site seems to be to deal with Stanton, I think we are agreed on that. Clearly, Stanton has been gunning for me the most. At least ten of the comments in the last few weeks are from Stanton, aimed at me. This spreads dissension through the whole site, and now, I’m being called out for being the problem. Kind of like when you have two children, one hits the other when you arent looking, and when you turn around you catch the responding punch. It’s common for a parent to go after the punch they saw… Read more »
You are far from innocent & not the victim here..
This is what I’m talking about, Kevin.
Another anonymous commenter, likely from Stanton, absolutely no substance. You get enough of these types, and it seems like I’m the bad guy.
You may be right to be offended by whatever this guy is saying. I've said ad nauseum that it's your approach that is offensive to people, not always the content. Your approach is to document dump on everyone. If you want to be more effective (and I think that is your goal, not just to vent as self-therapy), my advice is to pick a point and hone in on it with laser precision. Draft it in Word first and then do some self-editing. I can typically cut my first draft down by at least 25-50% when I do that, and… Read more »
Not from Stanton. Never a member.
Kevin has simply requested for you to take it down a notch & you seem to be stopping your feet & throwing a tantrum instead of just respecting him & his blog. His request was not an unreasonable one.
Montesquieu – This attacker said "you are far from innocent & not the victim here." But you said some pretty harsh things to me when I first used the word "cult." Vicious, cruel, vindictive, bitter, bloodthirsty, a vigilante, oppressive and tyrannical, come to mind. We can't have such a thin skin when we're speaking truth to these people. If you're not willing to take punches, sometimes even cheap shots, then stay out of the ring. But if you're willing to put yourself out there and take some hits, then it's important to respond with grace, and with wisdom, and with… Read more »
Great word, Gaslighting. Stanton uses many of the techniques, and Mr. Arizona, who has fled the site, after being continuously confronted with his serial lying, was a master Gaslighter.
Anonymous above is doing it as well.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/here-there-and-everywhere/201701/11-warning-signs-gaslighting
Call me an emissary, not a member, but connected to one in good standing, and thus I hear things, and I see things. GP is running scared not because of this blog, per se, but because of the activity occurring on it, and the potential for that activity to stir up trouble and rebellion in the offline realm. He understands the 'Hundredth Monkey Effect,' and that if this blog continues expanding its reach and influence, that a critical mass may be achieved which will be unlike anything SCOC has ever dealt with before, and which can penetrate their hermetically sealed… Read more »
Anon 4:26, thanks for the inside scoop. Honestly, I'm sure they view me as a pot-stirrer, but that's not at all the motivation behind this blog. I attempt to simply be a truth-teller. But if that stirs someone's pot, so be it. Lol
God bless.
Hip hip horray ! I used to be in the church and I am still connected to somebody that still preaches in one. They will spill the beans to me once in awhile on a few things too 😉
Keep exposing the leaders.They are corrupt. They destroy marriages and family relationships constantly!
AnonymousMarch 21, 2019 at 4:26 PM Great news!! I don't hope for the destruction of any, but I sincerely pray for the reform of Stanton's oppression. There have been many from Stanton who have been on here lately. Being a recipient from their attacks, I have no malice towards them, but I would encourage them to honestly evaluate why they believe what they believe. AnonymousMarch 21, 2019 at 4:47 PM Good to know! Lastly, Kevin, may I recommend you and everyone on here who thinks I should be quiet review this 5 minute video on college students explaining why students… Read more »
Hmmmm?
This blog isn't about the founders of America. It's not why we come to this blog.
Montesquieu – I don't agree with much of what you say but I am not necessarily offended by what you say because you are indeed entitled to your opinion (which YOU consider fact and pure truth) but I am ENTIRELY sick of your repetitive rants that do nothing for the discussion at hand. Stick to the problems that have arisen because of the Stanton Church of Christ's man-made doctrines. You talk (type) and talk and talk and talk and yet accuse others of talking too much! Don't even try to guess who I am; you just make yourself look ridiculous… Read more »
His humor evaded you –he was gently poking fun at you, since AOC currently means 'Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,' who is a recently-elected politician who is so far to the left that she is off the map, and so open-minded that her brain fell out.
Advocate for Peace, I agree wholeheartedly with your comment above written March 20, at 1:14. Please keep posting for you are an excellent voice of reason and your peaceable manner a good example. I will admit my latest post above was not entirely peaceable.
Montesquieu – You said "Lastly, Kevin, may I recommend you and everyone on here who thinks I should be quiet review this 5 minute video on college students explaining why students free speech rights should be taken away?" You keep missing the point. I'm not asking you to be quiet. You are free to speak within reason on this platform, or as much as you want and by whatever rules you want on your own platform. I'll even support you in that. I already have! So no one is censoring your right to speak. I haven't done that once. I'm… Read more »
AFC 7:24 – Amen, well said.
Thank you Anon, March 21, 7:17… I am, to the horror of one reader in particular, extremely ignorant about the current political scene. Unfortunately, as you have probably noticed, this blog has become a soapbox for off-topic politics which serve no purpose toward it's intent. This blog is awesome when the topic of Stanton's man-made doctrines and the harm they cause is discussed.
AFC & Kevin agreed.
Thank you!!
"Our righteousness in the face of God is like filthy rags"
It amazes me how much the religious world misuses this scripture. Our righteousness in the face of God is not like filthy rags. If you read the whole chapter you will see that this is talking about hypocrisy. The people living in their sins.
This is what is truth.
1 John 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
Remember, the scriptures don't contradict each other.
@ Lynn mm My apologies, I should have worded it better. Thanks for catching that. What I meant to say was "compared to God" not "in the face of". Those that follow the will of God are indeed righteous. The context of my point was how man tries to come up with their own rules and commandments and calls that righteousness, like the examples I gave of things that were taught that didn't come from God.
AnonymousMarch 21, 2019 at 6:59 PM If you don't care about the Founders of America, and the rights you have due to them, then move to China. When they beat you half to death for criticizing the government, then come back here and learn to appreciate, not hate. Advocate for ChangeMarch 21, 2019 at 7:03 PM Another emotional outburst, which has absolutely nothing to do with factual refutations of points made, but an impudent rejection of what you hate to be burdened with learning of. Was just reading Isaiah 6 this morning, and you were definitely mentioned in there, thousands… Read more »
AnonymousMarch 21, 2019 at 7:17 PM Thank you! You get it, happy to see the wise are on here. Occasional Cortex is a frightening sight on the American political landscape. She's enabled by those who hate to learn history, which this site is littered with. Kevin, I appreciate that, but why are you using identical tactics to the left? Saying someone is 'off topic' is simply a subtle way of silencing them. I address my comments mostly to dangerous ideas and to attacks upon me. I see no one who has attacked me, and included in those attacks are lies,… Read more »
I believe that Anon 6:59 comments read "This blog isn't about the founders of America. It's not why we come to this blog.".
No where was it said "I don't care about the founders of America."
Kevin's comment at 7:25pm read: "I built this platform for a particular mission. I'm just asking you politely to have some respect for that mission and not try to constantly get it off topic with political and other rants."
AnonymousMarch 22, 2019 at 10:04 AM Well, we are the only nation on earth founded upon a Judeo-Christian ideology, we are dealing with a church that has perverted Christianity in areas, so I fail to see how going back to the roots of where Christianity in America came from is a bad thing. The vast majority of moral issues being dealt with today, were not being dealt with, AT THE RATES OF TODAY, back then. The media and schools have indoctrinated America out of her Christian heritage, and I'm not willing to assuage the apathy of many on here by… Read more »
As Stanton cheers.
Monte- you just don't understand. I am thrilled to live in America and I'm a fan of the work of the founders of our country and their ideals. However, I don't need to read the recipe for chocolate cake to enjoy it and appreciate it and I don't have to bash others for not knowing everything there is to know about chocolate cake and it's origins. I wish you could understand how most of us feel about your repetitive rants and cutting remarks but even with the kind and reasonable pleading of Kevin, the creator of this blog, you just… Read more »
Thank you AFC!! You are so right! I was so taken back to read his comment " Children are not naturally good always. By coddling children and indulging them, we have raised pampered snowflakes, which this site has it's share of, who hate to be contradicted or disagreed with. If anyone says something they don't like, they end the conversation and unleash vicious broadsides against their detractors."Are you the pot of the kettle because you can't stand for anyone to disagree with you and immediately lash out why everyone else is wrong. Sounds like a child who refuses to be told… Read more »
Amen, AFC.
AFC, your screed is mostly fact free and full of emotions. Will address it at leisure later on. You believe you can wait, discount the facts and reasons behind my posts, say that you don’t like it, which is your basic contention, pose as if it’s off topic, when it’s very much on the topic of every comment I’ve responded too, and then try to shoo me away. Some of you on here have some pretty remarkable similarities to Stanton. Say something is ‘off topic’, and silence the person that way. It’s a subtle form of oppression, which everyone on… Read more »
Montesquieu – You said: "Kevin, if you are going to call Stanton a cult, then perhaps you should not be heeding the voices of those who wish to silence the relevant comments of those outside the mainstream. For in doing so, do you not become a sort of cult of your own?" Man, are you tone deaf or what? No one is shutting you up. We're all asking you just to exercise some wisdom and keep your comments within the mission of this blog. I've donated my actual time and expertise—on the phone and online—to helping you create your own… Read more »
Advocate For Change.thank you! We hear you…sometimes you just have to smile, nod & disengage. Some can agree to disagree…others simply can not & will continue to spew their words despite request not to. Just remember why you are hear..your name says it all: Advocate for change.
Thank you for that!
Monte, I surrender. Your grasp of history I will never come close to achieving. Your righteousness I could never surpass. All you say is right and logical. I now concede ,because, you are the arbitor of facts,truth and all that's American and rightous. I think every knee should bow before you. If you were king, all would be well on the earth.
Anon 2:00 – We laugh sarcastically, but I know a young "Christian" who literally believes in feudalism (kingdoms) as a governmental philosophy because it would allow Christians (if the "right" Christian is King) to enforce Christian morals.
And this kid has never been exposed to the SCOC! Lol
Keep changing hearts and minds, people, one kind conversation at a time. I've read the end of the story, I know who wins! 🙂
Oh gosh…here we go again…I bet it will be 11 paragraphs & you will be told you're full of emotion & not stating facts & have 4 links for you to click on & you're probably a liberal who hates America & you better not say you're a women either you will just be WRONG WRONG WRONG…free entertainment! Some wonder what you have to gain by all of that..doesn't it get exhausting? Do you feel you are making a difference on this blog?
I've simply stop replying to him. His delivery hasn't sat right with me for a while, and I have discussions all the time with people I agree with and disagree with all the time.
I've never seen him really concede a point, its always the same rehabilitated tired arguments from him.
The guy was born 243 years too late.
AnonymousMarch 22, 2019 at 2:00 PM Ad hominem logical fallacy. Failing to refute points made and simply caricaturing me as a know it all, who knows everything, isn't effectively making any point. This isn't personal. If I'm wrong, fine, show me. If not, then don't attack me. There are objective truths, and if I state one, and you disagree, state why. If you state one, I will never disagree, and if I do, you can teach me why I'm wrong. How about you don't listen to me, I don't listen to you, and we both listen to the lessons of… Read more »
Anon 2:18 – The truth finds its way to the top! 🙂
Kevin I can only imagine!! I'm sure it gets exhausting for you just as it does your readers. It's nice to have good conversations even when you don't necessarily agree…your tone can make or break you as to weather or not people are taking you seriously…I'm not so sure everyone understands that part.
Kevin, also, may I quote Churchill, in explaining why you get texts, emails, and phone calls complaining about me constantly? 'You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life'Winston Churchill Can we hear from those who are disagreeing with me, when you stood up in public, in either Stanton, in some other church, or in politics, in a hostile environment, and said what needed to be said? I'll wait, but I'm not holding my breath. Those who are too afraid to do what needs to be done in public, are often the loudest in… Read more »
You know who else doesn't believe in cell phones and "hellivision"? Hippies.
See how I casually dismissed your entire dissertation with a simple comparison to people you despise, but share your view point for entirely different reasons?
Thank me for giving you a reason to exercise your fingers.
Montesqueiu – You say "Kevin, I appreciate all your help, and with your aid, my site has 150,000 views in 7 months. So, not sure why people are making it out that no one comes to my site." I've never said that, and as a digital marketing guy, I'm thrilled that your site is growing in its reach! Congratulations. Feel free to plug it here once or twice if you'd like (no more than that, out of good etiquette). This is NOT a competition. You may attract far more readers, but for a different purpose. I would celebrate that accomplishment.… Read more »
Anon 2:35 – Thank you. Yes, tone is the key to communication, whether verbally or in writing. I've grown from being an introvert in my teen years, to somewhat of an extrovert (my wife might say) now. In fact, we've kind of switched places on that spectrum in our marriage. I'd say this happened largely because of my increased passion for sharing my love for Jesus as I grew in Christ. Once I figured out grace, you couldn't shut me up. But along with that, it happened because I've come to appreciate the value of genuine conversation. Love means hearing… Read more »
And, Kevin, may I suggest it's not really a wife's place to be telling her husband when he can talk and when not to? She can advise, and that is it. If I were married, I'm sure I'd be acting like you, and that is exactly why I'm not anxious to get married at all. Not going to have a woman dictating my actions. The Revolutionary War would have never been fought if the Founders had to worry about their wives every action they took. I was at a meeting last night for the schools in my district. The men… Read more »
Hey Stanton, if your listening, please lift Monte's withdrawal.
Wow!! You have no shame.
Ladies please don't feel insulted by this person. His words are meaningless.
I could never imagine treating my wife the way you seem to treat women. Stanton seems to be a good fit for you.
I believe his point there was that his wife knows his blind spots, and there for, helps him to be more effective. You actually maybe to self righteous for Stanton. A Eunuch maybe?
AnonymousMarch 22, 2019 at 3:26 PM
That's kind of you, even if dubious motives.
AnonymousMarch 22, 2019 at 3:27 PM &
AnonymousMarch 22, 2019 at 3:31 PM
The cuckold and beta-male is strong in you. Apparently the domineering women in Stanton have come on this site. This is the problem with feminism in America. The spheres of the man and woman are badly muddled and confused.
It is the wives role to submit, period!
https://thetransformedwife.com/husbands-create-the-wives-they-have/
There are women not even in Stanton who understand women are to submit and are not to be calling the shots in the home.
I believe his point there was that his wife knows his blind spots, and there for, helps him to be more effective. You actually maybe to self righteous for Stanton. A Eunuch maybe?
No I respect my wife. We respect each other & in our home we are a team. She doesn't need to "submit" to me or anyone else! Single life is probably best for you man!
AnonymousMarch 22, 2019 at 3:47 PM
Except the man was designed by God to lead. Failing to do this is disobedience to God.
Mont.- It's alarming that the idea of trusting a wife's intuition or a wife glancing at her husband would lead into such a response. I ask you, if it's alright for a wife to advise, is it alright for the husband to take her advise when he trusts her intuition? My answer would be… of course it is. You are implying that Kevin is submissive to his wife and she is dictating his actions. You are out of line.
AnonymousMarch 22, 2019 at 3:56 PM Sure, many wise men listen to and heed their wives advice. But, they aren't obligated to. Our nation is being led astray by a women's advice being taken. Witness our first female presidential candidate. Hillary Rodham Clinton, the single most corrupt presidential candidate ever. That is what happens when women are allowed to rule. The Bible is very clear, only weak men and weak nations are ruled over by women. I know, because I once was one. This whole mess started when women were given the right to vote. If that hadn't happened, Stanton… Read more »
Montesquieu – I am wondering why you don't allow comments on your blog?
Why are you here Ryan? What are your motives? Is it to just assert that you're right? I's it to argue and bicker? Is it to make enemies so that you verify some quote you read? Is it to rant and rave about some history you read and how it was so much better in that time, then sit back smugly about how righteous you are for saying things people don't agree with? If your goal is to have a reader adopt your positions, and see things your way, you're failing, and you will continue to fail. This is not… Read more »
Mont – Another question, why did you attack Kevin for taking his wife's advice?
EAG, Didn’t you learn about evil surmising? How is your first paragraph any different from how Eliab responded to David? And I’ll respond the same as David, ‘Is there not a cause’? One would think the dysfunction of Stanton and America would cause us to understand something is radically wrong, and a new way must be tried, but apparently not. My goal is to pursue and uphold the truth. Popular assent was not the lot of Jeremiah, Isaiah, and Ezekiel, but they steady kept speaking. Truth is rarely popular, yet, according to you and many on this site, of a… Read more »
This is way better than any reality tv!!
After I read your first sentence about evil surmising, I stopped reading. I don't care what you have to say really. I don't care about your opinion. We're done. Say what you want, and continue feeding your ego.
EATG, thank you for your honesty. You have a personal dislike for me and what I say, not rooted in any critical thinking, we’re exposed, and now, tuck your tail between your legs, and slink off.
Ego means Edging God Out. Since nothing I’ve said contradicts God or the Bible, it seems you are the one who is actually Edging God Out.
LMAO okay preacher messano!!
What a joke!!
Scorners and Scoffers.
You see, Kevin, it is for types like this that Solomon said, 'A rod for the back of a fool'. They don't learn any other way.
Not content to attack ideas they little comprehend, they insist on ruining the experience for everyone when their attacks fail.
Kind of like the unruly kid in the classroom who doesn't want to learn, but insists on ruining the learning environment for everyone.
Dude you start all this and play the victim!! You know exactly what you're doing!!
AnonymousMarch 22, 2019 at 4:05 PM
I do allow comments on my blog. Most do not come to comment. You have to have a disqus account to comment as well.
What you're not understanding is nobody in this blog WANTS to listen to your garage!! This isn't your classroom!! You and your rants are irrelevant but you so long for a pat on the back and for someone to listen to you!! You are everything you accuse others!! The hypocrisy is strong!!
AnonymousMarch 22, 2019 at 5:30 PM
Dude? You must be under 35. Exactly what did I start? I simply said the wives ought to be in subjection to their husbands, and shouldn't be dictating what they can and can't say.
I'm no victim, I'm simply showing what the remedy for scorners and scoffers is. Have you studied what those are? Are you certain you aren't a scorner and a scoffer?
AnonymousMarch 22, 2019 at 5:35 PM My garage doesn't speak, and you repeat the appeal to popular logical fallacy. Haven't you learned from Stanton. This is how they determine what is right and wrong. 'But, Montesquieu, or Kevin, or anyone else on here, all the Stanton Teachers disagree with you, so you must be wrong'. You provide another fact free harangue. Apparently, many on this blog have spent lifetimes bullying and badgering those they dislike into silence. That was Stanton's problem. That is a woman's approach as well. Men more often use logic, reason, and rational arguments to determine right… Read more »
AnonymousMarch 22, 2019 at 5:35 PM
Further, the truth doesn't care about your feelings, nor do you speak for everyone on this blog. I never was arrogant enough to think that my opinion was the same as everyone elses on this blogs, but you seem to have unmitigated arrogance, and have appointed yourself as the spokesperson for this entire blog.
Mont- I love you and believe you want to be a force for good in this age. Focus on what you know and understand in your sphere and pursue it with gusto.
Smh. I think I've said all I need to about my marriage and it's Biblical foundations here and here. Lol
Kevin you know Dr. Phil had to through his two cents in…he couldn't NOT say anything!
Throw*
I hope the new reader, possibly someone searching and wanting to leave the cult, doesn't get put off by all the ranting and raving. Those of us on the blog know that this has been happening for YEARS. Some of us may even feel that in this mark and avoid, the cult got it RIGHT. However, I do admire the patience that this blog has shown a certain person. He has not been removed, though many of us have complained and wish he would be. I may even be attacked on here for saying so. But seeing years of this,… Read more »
Anon 6:43
Agreed 100%.
Stop responding.
AnonMarch 22, 2019 at 6:43 PM KS, is that you? Matter of fact, you actually flat out agree with Stanton's unscriptural withdrawal. Just goes to show, as David Horowitz said, 'Inside every progressive, there is a totalitarian screaming to get out'. This website has brought the dictators out of their hiding. It's really nice for many of you to get repudiated publicly, as you've spent lifetimes trying to throw your weight around. Look, America, and Christ's church aren't democracies. Democracy, where popular vote matters, is a very dangerous thing, because we have demagogues like you, who can't even explain your… Read more »
What I learned from Stanton is they will shove their way or no way down your throat and learned the true meaning of a hypocrite.
Your truth isn't everyone elses truth. You speak for yourself and only yourself.
AnonymousMarch 22, 2019 at 7:03 PM What I learned from Stanton is they tried to get rid of people who they disagreed with. Pot meet kettle, kettle meet pot. No one is forcing you to come here, and even if you do, no one is forcing you to read and respond to my comments. But there you are doing it, and claiming people are forcing things down your throat. Kind of like a child, with their hands in the cookie jar, claiming someone made them do it. No, you chose to do it. It's always kind of amazing to witness… Read more »
I seem to recall overhearing some of the teen children of Stantonites saying how much fun they had getting together to enjoy a drink called Fireball, possibly to the point of throwing up and passing out. It is a false equivalency to compare that kind of drinking, where the point is to get completely intoxicated, to the wholesome enjoyment and gladdening of heart that a mentally, emotionally, and spiritually mature adult derives from a good glass of quality wine.
Anon 1:28 I had to scroll back some to find your comment, could it be you are man fearing being the reason you will not reveal your congregation. That’s exactly the reason I did not get on this blog until it was determined I was a nonmember. GP used the fear and intimidation factor with threats of withdrawal which kept me off of it. I think Montesquieu is simply bringing out the ridiculousness of the May week topics rather it was in the past or not his points are the same. Trust me I attended six of the May weeks… Read more »
The May week is just a who's who of the self righteous cult. They come there to play out their delusions of grandeur.
I've had a lot of time to think about my journey in Merie's group, and why it took me so long to see how off they are. At first I believed everything they said simply because I was ignorant of what the bible said-I didn't even know who Paul was1 🙂Once I started studying on my own-and I studied a lot-I started understanding the scriptures and what God is all about. Of course, I still don't understand ALL that God is about, that's probably a never ending search and study!But what was finally happening to me was that I started… Read more »
Debby – Awesome comment. Nailed it!
Great points Debby!
Kellie? Your first post is buried deeply with the comments so I hope you see this note. I would like to welcome you here. I hope you enjoy Kevins blog posts and the personal stories, historical data etc. I’m curious, how did you find this blog?
Greetings and Salutations,
I found this blog by accident. I too can attest to many statements on this blog. I'm sure I'll write more, but for now I'm here to take in your many points of view. Just know, I have been out of the "religion" since 1992. What I have learned is time is a good medicine. Enjoy the rest of your day and I'll strive to do the same.
AFC I had seen Kellies comment too and was searching but it had been bombarded with other comments so I couldn't. Glad I wasn't the only one looking. Welcome Kellie!
Debby, you are always a breath of fresh air.
M. Long, Kevin and Advocate-I still read every comment-though there have been some when my eyes glazed over and I moved on to the next one 🙂All of you present wonderful and thought provoking things. I still remember when I first left Merie's Group and how difficult it was. I was alone. When a person is used to thinking, living and being with a group, it's difficult when you first leave that. our thoughts are now completely your own, and it's a little scary! That's why this blog is so important. It's here so that ones can come and relate… Read more »
Thanks for the encouragement, Debby! During the seasons where I haven't been able to engage with the blog, I would still occasionally check on the page views or comment count and be amazed at the growing readership. It's an honor to be a small part of whatever changes God's bringing about here in the lives of members and ex-members.
Debby, I sympathize with your experience, but if you have ought with any factual thing I've written, you may express that. What is very tiresome, is the women on this blog constantly trying to usurp the authority of the men and trying to gain a teaching part. Have you not learned from Stanton? The women's place is in the home, not teaching men on their place, and lecturing them. I'm not here to fit in with your idea of Christianity, and as for your assertion that my posts are long and rambling, my dear, you have little to no comprehension… Read more »
Montesquieu – I'm having trouble with Blogger linking to the right area to find particular comments, which is why my next upgrade will be to move from Blogger to a custom WordPress site. But to answer your comment…wow. You think that you are more qualified to speak on any topic because you're male? And you think I'm emasculated because I know when my wife's intuition is dead-on? Haha. You obviously haven't been married, and certainly not to a godly wife. Next relationship you get into, you'll be asking me to delete your past comments again, just watch. :-0 Dude, I… Read more »
Kevin!!! Can you hear your viewers applauding you!!!
No, I didn't say my being a man makes me more qualified to speak on any topic. I'm saying that in the church, men aren't to be taught by women. I'm pretty sure we can see the devastation that Merie and others have caused with this. Women have many wonderful gifts, however, teaching men isn't one of them. Taking a wife's advice at times is nice, but for her to forcefully give her opinion, well, that's crossing a line in my book. The kind of women that were common place 100 years ago are rare today. I believe I'll be… Read more »
Montesquieu, I have gained much from the comments from both female and male. My two biggest encouragers through my transition away from Merie’s cult have been females. My mom and another who you were in the same congregation with for a time. Both females and males have corrected me on this blog and I receive the correction the same. You as well have corrected me my friend. Every comment from Debby has been spot on.
Thank you, Craig, and I have had women who were helps to me as well, and for that they are to be commended. However, while their input and advice can be invaluable, the original design was not for women to guide the home, the church, or the nation, and that has gotten sadly out of focus. There were very big female influences in Portland as well, and exactly how did that help the church? This nation, marriages, churches, and Stanton are sorely lacking male leadership, and it was never appointed to women to fill this void. They have been trying… Read more »
I AM SICK AND TIRED OF ALL THE EMASCULATED MEN THAT THE WOMEN OF STANTON HAVE LEFT IN THEIR WAKE WITH THEIR REBELLION, GOSSIP, AND REJECTION OF GOD'S DESIGN. The women are way out of line, and it's high time this stopped. It's for their own good. They have ripped down America, marriages, the church enough. It's time we took the approach that worked in the past. I am not the only one saying this. There are millions more, but the media, schools, and most churches are infected with the cancer of feminism, where women are viewed as 'equal'. No,… Read more »
Kevin!!! Can you hear your viewers applauding you!!!
You know what I would do if I were trying to destroy a blog that I viewed as detrimental to an organization that I value, and wanted to protect? I would fill the comment section with non compos mentis tirades, attack anyone who I view as a threat to my church with posts filled with unintelligible drivel, posts links to shoddy fly by night websites, espouse ideas that I know will derail the mission of the blog, display toxic behavior that discourages any person from further communication on the blog, marginalize and delegitimize a group of people that I view… Read more »
Not really. If I wanted to take out a blog that I viewed as detrimental to an organization that I valued, I'd attack the most prolific commenter, who is attacked the most by that organization. You are doing a good job. If you want to imitate Joan of Arc, you are doing a miserable job, as she stood up for a heroic ideal, and perished in the attempt. You obviously have no heroic ideals, since you attack those you either don't understand, or disagree with. Goebbels said if you tell a lie enough, eventually people will believe it. And that… Read more »
Ok Cartman.
The same truth that hardens certain clays, also softens others. And so are humans. They respond to truth differently. We clearly see who hates it, and who loves it. The majority, as has ever been the case, hate it. Truth sounds like hate to those who hate truth. Severe rebuke and criticism is very good. It exposes faulty reasoning and ideas that cannot be exposed any other way. Just as you can tell the flavor of a tea bag when you put it into hot water, so you can tell what a human is made of when you put them… Read more »
Belay my last, meant to say 'The same sun that hardens certain clays, softens others'.
I read all of Montes comments in the voice of Cartman from South Park.
Yes, examining this blog from the eyes of Southpark, one of the most degenerate shows ever, seems to be wise.
You see, Kevin, people don't object to me because of facts, it's because they have ever rebelled against truth. But, they keep right on coming, don't they.
Nope, not the blog. Specifically your comments only.
Probably a good time for you to look up impudent, impertinent, insolent, debauched, libertine, and lecher for the first time in your life. All South Park fans could profit from looking these up in Websters Dictionary. South Park would have no fans left if Americans were all virtuous and wise.
You see, Kevin, I'm objected to by South Park fans. Why aren't others objected to by South Park Fans? Probably because most fit in with the South Park culture.
Sorry Cartman, I just cant take you seriously with that high pitched voice.
Ad hominem, logical fallacy.
If debating you were a boxing match, it would be easy to win blindfolded with one hand tied behind my back.
"Probably because most fit in with the South Park culture."
Not me. Won't watch it, never will, and I believe drivel like that is part of the downfall for any rational thinking. A deranged mindset.,
Bahahahahahahaha @ Anonymous 11:21AM������
What a clown!! Remember folks..you can't fix stupid!! Carry on & bypass his nonsense!!
AnonymousMarch 23, 2019 at 12:13 PM Another entitled snowflake. Conditioned to believe they are the center of the universe, and they flip out when they find out that the truth is different from what they've been brainwashed with. It will be alright, 12:13, breath deeply and stay calm. The delusion is strong in you. Try not to hyperventilate. A lot of attacks on me follow Alinsky's 'Rules for Radicals', a book devoted to Lucifer. Constantly avoid reason and logic, launch personal attacks, maliciously malign, and try to overwhelm your opponent with vicious and underhanded tactics. One man with God is… Read more »
This site was designed to be able to show what wrongs occurred with Stanton, to heal, remedy, and reform. However, there are uncomfortable Christian truths which are encountering massive resistance from the lukewarm, and they are sabotaging the site, all the while claiming I am the problem. I'd be happy to address corrections of facts, statistics, or statements I've made, from men, as women and children have no right to be publicly correcting men. Instead, I'm beset with catty remarks from women who haven't learned subjection and are over 50, a very sad state to be in, people comparing me… Read more »
Eat your own words man! "The delusion is strong in you."
Craig encouraged me to read this post. I was hoping I'd have something to add, but with the bitterness and strife I've read, I am just numb… So I'm going to just step away and pray the God open hearts and minds. That peace can be found and we can use this blog for growth rather than a.m attack platform. I'm not at all about fearing man and watering down the truth, but our presentation of the truth is very important. We just had a sermon from James 3. Read it all, then focus on vs13-18. A great point he… Read more »
Ronita I agree. I used to enjoy coming to this blog and reading every ones stories. It was comforting to feel like I wasn't alone. Going to step away awhile myself. It's gotten a little out of hand and off topic and just isn't for me anymore. I thank you Kevin for doing what you do. You have helped more than you may know.
Hello Ronita. Long time no hear. Go read my story and you will see why I am here. It got really bad after you and Roberto left. I tried to fix it, but outside leaders to their sides.
Welcome and thanks for the words of advice Ronita.
When I read my Bible, it tells me to 'Prove ALL THINGS, and HOLD FAST TO THAT WHICH IS TRUE'. So, if anyone has a problem with my style take it up with the Apostle Paul, who wrote Thessalonians. We are told to contend for the truth, and there are many who have no appetite for, and are allergic to the truth. 'Which say to the seers, See not; and to the prophets, Prophesy not unto us right things, speak unto us smooth things, prophesy deceits:'. Many wish to have their ears tickled, and are offended when truths which this… Read more »
The site or this blog doesn't rub people the wrong way..nobody has said anything about this site. You just don't know how to shut the hell up!! Seriously!! GET OVER YOURSELF!! You're not God! You're not Jesus!! Your head is so far stuck up your own ass you can't hear other people!!
Another example of a hyperventilating snowflake. Try learning facts and reason, then come to a debate. Otherwise you are coming to a gun fight with a pea shooter. Since all you have is emotion, you are easily worn out. All kinds of straw man arguments in your last comment. Also, saying 'everybody, nobody, etc' are exaggerations that are nearly always wrong and lessen your credibility. With your language, you certainly have no idea what God, Jesus, or the Bible stand for, and would do well to study it first before lecturing others on it. I just love when my Christianity… Read more »
Dear blog bullies, who think if you shout, yell, scream, use vulgarity, and gang up on others, you can silence them, it won't work. Sincerely, A First Amendment Supporter “If someone succeeds in provoking you, realize that your mind is complicit in the provocation.” Epictetus “Truth does not become more true by virtue of the fact that the entire world agrees with it, nor less so even if the whole world disagrees with it.”Maimonides, “It is dangerous to be right in matters on which the established authorities are wrong.” Voltaire “Debate refines a good idea. That's why we have two… Read more »
You're on here for the wrong reasons.
Readers don't come here to debate or looking for arguments.
Your first sentence is evil surmising, and since you don't use reason and facts well, your reason for being on here is what you need to be questioning. Readers seem to have no problem commenting. Judging by the fleet of comments following mine, we don't have many shy types on here, though we do have many with victim complexes. People want to shout how oppressed they are by opposing opinions, when wise people see the 'oppressed' are only conceited people who don't like being disagreed with in public. A lot of people took their Stanton habits to this blog. Truth… Read more »
I see my scriptures were disregarded.
Ronita and others, please don't leave the blog entirely. I know it's difficult when one person hogs and fills up the blog, but just scroll past their comments-don't even read them. There are so many more that are helpful, and most of us need and value your comments on this blog. Your insights are important! And you just never know what you might contribute that will help others! 🙂
You're right Debby. I do that a lot. I look on here for anything I can use for myself, but bypass a lot of it.
No, they weren't disregarded, Ronita. More context was needed. Last nights study of Matthew 10 yielded these verses. 34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. 35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. 36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household. 37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth… Read more »
And Monestquieu,I have no ill will toward you. Just wanted to make that clear.
Oh, I meant Ruth, but Esther is good also.
It's wonderful that you desired to be home, and your children were always a pleasure to be around. God did use women in the Bible, but only in the OT, and only when the men were too weak to do it. Even then, Deborah didn't try to lead the army herself, she appointed Barak, Esther also didn't do things herself, she used her skill and guile to have King Ahaseurus kill the Jews enemy, Haman. As for Ruth, she found a Godly man, the son of a Prostitute, Rahab. When she married Boaz, then her destiny began. On her own,… Read more »