This website has always been about trying to create some transparency for Stanton, so their beliefs, teachings, and practices can come out of the shadows. To that end, let’s see what Merie, the founder of the sect, said about various issues…in her own words. And for those who would argue that the opinions of Merie don’t matter today because she’s long gone, would you dismiss the teachings of Mary Baker Eddy, Ellen G. White, Joseph Smith, Charles Taze Russel, and other denominational founders on that basis? Of course not.
Merie’s opinions do matter. If she hadn’t taught what she taught over 50 years ago, Stanton wouldn’t be here today. Stanton’s legitimacy as the self-proclaimed “One True Church” rests squarely on the soundness of Merie’s teachings. Merie herself taught that wrong premises produce wrong conclusions:
“When the major premise is wrong—all our conclusions are wrong. This time the author not only doesn’t have anything to hang on the hook, he hasn’t any hook.” (Put Up Thy Sword)
Without any further introduction, let’s take a look at just a small sampling of Merie’s teachings, in her own words.
“We begin this letter by saying that every Christian has a right and a responsibility to express as well as to teach those things which they honestly believe to be scriptural without being called a false teacher, or one who perverts the word of God. Inasmuch as the church is so divided upon so many things, and cannot come into an agreement upon hardly anything, it ill behooves a preacher to denounce and call names because he happens to disagree with that which is taught by others.” (Moyer Letter, 1967)
Could have fooled me.
“Within the next few years, we hope to have a New Testament church of Christ in every state in the union.” (Moyer Letter, 1967)
Gamaliel nailed it: “If their purpose or activity is of human origin, it will fail.” And it has, epically.
“The proof of all that I am contending for is found in the lack of zeal, the lack of new churches, the concentration of churches in given cities and states, the sparsity of baptisms, the ignorance as well as the do-nothing habits of the congregations where the preacher-elder rule is practiced, and the paid preacher system of rotating from one established church to another converted group.” (Moyer Letter, 1967)
Does anyone know of new churches being planted, or a single church that is growing at all? Anyone? Beuhler?
“We find at times the evangelist after establishing the church stayed several years in one place and taught and trained those whom he converted. Nor was it uncommon for the founder to return ‘to see how the churches are getting along.’ Acts 15:35 to 41. BUT THE PATTERN OF THE NEW TESTAMENT WAS THAT THE PREACHERS WERE CONSTANTLY ON THE MOVE, going into all the world teaching and converting the lost and establishing the church of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.” (Moyer Letter, 1967)
Irony much? How many years has the main evangelist been in the same congregation without traveling and planting new churches?
“The growing power of the preachers and in some cases, of the elders, in taking over the government of the church from the members of the body of Christ is not only unscriptural but is inherently dangerous to the identity of the church. It also has the sinister resemblance to the pope and his cohorts. The image of the Catholic priest as the last word in matters of faith is reminiscent of the attitudes of too many members of Christ’s body toward the preacher today. This attitude reflects itself in the ignorance of the people and the indifference to what is happening to the church. It tends to make them dependent upon possibly one man or men for all of their knowledge and this is pernicious in its effect.” (Cogdill Letter, 1968)
Sounds to me like Stanton needs a revolution to put the power back in the hands of the people, rather than preacher/teacher/evangelist priestly class.
“The preacher-priest image is further carried out by the attitude of the people toward the preacher, leaving it to him and/or the elders to make all the decisions, do all the teaching (except perhaps the children) and their word is law. They are usually considered above reproach and are not to be contradicted on any matter.“ (Cogdill Letter, 1968)
No, preachers/teachers/evangelists in the “preacher-priest image” are not to be contradicted on any matter. On the bright side, at least Stanton doesn’t have to worry about elders making all the decisions.
“The members of the church have a right to question and ask for Bible answers from those who are doing the preaching. But this is considered almost tantamount to heresy by the preachers of today; and if a member persists in such he is usually slandered and called a trouble-maker… We should know our Bible and we should be ready and willing to take a stand for the truth. We are commanded to ‘contend for the truth.’ But this can hardly be done seeing that the church is ignorant and the preachers are content to have it so. Individually and collectively we should take scriptural stands upon all subjects…” (Brethren Letter, 1967)
Of course, if anyone exercises their “right to question and ask for Bible answers,” especially if they don’t just question, but “take a stand for truth,” they’ll be promptly withdrawn from for murmuring or sowing seeds of discord.
“New Testament evangelism died along with the deterioration of the church spiritually. But the preachers are so blind to their own defection and lack of zeal and their obligation to go into all the world and preach the gospel, they even advertise their ignorance of what evangelist means by adding the word ‘evangelist’ to their names.” (Brethren Letter, 1967)
Be careful when you point your finger, because there are three more…never mind.
“Today the church is going through a mammoth apostasy and the authority of the Bible is being ignored as more and more of the members and leaders of the church follow the traditions and dictates of men rather than God.” (Public Confession)
“If we turn away from the New Testament to teach our own opinions, we are in no position to take the truth to those around us.” (Holy Spirit Lesson, 1973)
So…we agree on something?
“We can clarify the issues by exposing those who undermine and destroy the souls of those who follow pernicious doctrines of men. Let’s warn our neighbors, our unsaved friends and even strangers when the opportunity arises, and let us continue to prepare ourselves to teach from God’s word as well as to show the error of the great religious organizations which fill the earth and which are nothing more or less than the devil’s stronghold upon this earth.” (Church Lesson)
Couldn’t agree more.
Well done Kevin!! The only thing I would add/change is about the second evangelist; if he is still in Greenville, then he's been in the same congregation for well over 13 years! Even when Tampa was having problems, he only "visited" for a weekend, not months or years.
But I love how you use Merie's own words, to expose the hypocrisy that's in the group! Thank you!
Yes Debby TC is STILL in Greenville. He has his children in haha surrounding congregations. His youngest son briefly in San Antonio last heard returned to Greenville. Real convenient to plant your children in near by congregations. Of course the other dictator I mean "evangelist" has no children in the cult. Smart children they are. When Portland hadn't baptized for 3 1/2 years I raised the concern with KG when he and his wife visited before the May meeting in Boise 2013. Word got to TC who said he had no knowledge that Portland hadn't baptized for 3 1/2 years… Read more »
Great job, Kevin!
Evangelist #1 has been in the Spring Valley congregation for over 25 years and Evangelist #2 has been in Greenville close to 20 years. Time flies when you're on the phone making 'judgements' all day.
Instead of starting new congregations at far distances from one another they are starting new congregations near established ones. Thus, Greenville has broken into three congregations with the evangelist staying in Greenville. Mobile has started a church in Gulf Port, Mississippi and Atlanta has started a congregation in another part of Atlanta.
Thanks for the info, that's interesting. It means they are also falling under Merie's own criticism of mainline churches for "the concentration of churches in given cities and states…."
Anon 9:51 Merie's cults dictatorship interpretation of taking the gospel into all the world is actually to all the south. Not South America, South Africa or even South Korea rather the South of our country. All they are doing is taking members from other congregations. No real growth. The only congregation I heard has been adding from the work was Raleigh NC. In Merie's words all the congregations would be considered dead. In the early church The Lord added daily such as should be saved. Constantly baptizing. Merie's cult falling far short as well not following the command to spread… Read more »
Of course the reason is that there's hardly any more people who want to hear about God so there you have it. We've had nonmember classes where it's pointed out that no one wants to be there because they'd rather do other things. Makes the one person who came feel special. It's just likely that so many religions have created their own rules and people are sick and tired of it. MERIE'S church is no different. That's why they even need a nonmember class. People wouldn't last 10 minutes if we just invited them to worship, which starts with man… Read more »
Seeking I'd guess more than 90% of public confessions were traffic violations which many a police officer would not pull you over. It turned into a complete joke listening to these ridiculous confessions. Not sure which of the dictators came up with confessing publicly these traffic infractions. Plain stupid. They should be considering publicly confessing the mistreatment of members, former members and nonmembers and the unrighteous withdrawals for beginners. Where in scripture do you see the example of public confessions as part of worship anyways?
Yes agree Craig. I never confessed them unless I was stopped by a cop and given a ticket. And then I confessed not being a good steward with our family's funds. I mean, to me, that was the bigger deal. Honestly, the last time it was done it was the first my husband heard of that citation. He had to sit there all of worship. It gave him a little time to chill. Heehee.
"Where in scripture do you see the example of public confessions as part of worship anyways?"
Short answer: You don't. It's completely unbiblical. 🙂
A Public Confession
Kevin, I couldn't agree more. AND, I couldn't find one scripture that commands public confession at any time! I had even gone back over Merie's lesson on public confessions and found it sadly lacking in scriptural support. The one and only example that she used was in the old Testament, and was for a special occasion and one time only. And no command was made for the Jews to do it, they just felt the need and did it. Also, it was not during a "worship" service, and it lasted for a very long time. Along with ashes and sackcloth… Read more »
Clarification! What I'm saying is making it out to be a command and saying it's doctrine is what is wrong!!
Exactly. Thanks, Debby.
They were known for making things to be commandments and, thus, laws. We know that a sin is the breaking of a law, so, if they say you have sinned in doing such you have broken a law, which really isn't a law.
I tried to point this out, but it didn't get anywhere.
The bad part is when they would try to force a confession out of you and you practically label you as being "in sin" if you didn't. How can you confess something that you KNOW isn't a sin?
Great points Lynn and so true. I'd be intrested to hear from others all the ridiculous confessions they've heard or made themselves because of just your point. I have plenty of my own.
KevinI went back and reread all of Merie's lesson on public confession that you linked above. My doubts were always there, because I'm sure I had read it before and wasn't convinced. Reading it again, I'm absolutely convinced it's just a pile of her own "necessary inference". She ties it together that one MUST REASON this and MUST REASON that and just goes in circles trying to justify her conclusions! And her old testament links are so intertwined in the context of old testament practices that the church doesn't practice (and shouldn't). Unfortunately, whether she consciously intended to or not,… Read more »
Necessary inference is one of the most abused forms of reasoning, precisely because it's so subjective as to what's necessary and what isn't. After reading her treatise again, I found the same thing…it was faulty premise piled upon faulty premise, over and over. And we all know that faulty premises produce (say it with me) faulty conclusions.
If this doesn't make people stop and take notice I don't know what will!!
While the folks baptized 30 or more years ago used to study Merie's letters in their Bible classes and listen to her screaming on her tapes the newer converts may have never been exposed to her letters and tapes. Craig and Seeking, how much were you exposed to Merie's writings and tapes?
I was given one Merie tape and I listened to it and it about ruptured my ear drums. Merie started out slow and polite and then started screaming and pounding the table something about Chinese and Japanese, and toward the end of the tape she publicly addressed someone getting up asking them "you got someplace more important to go?" it turn out it was one of the Christians getting up to go to the bathroom, wow, not allowed to go to the bathroom, really harsh. I was given the one church lesson my first week in and studied it but… Read more »
Anon 10:12 I did not allow myself to be exposed to Merie's anything other than the many Merie said comments which you could not avoid. This was a early red flag that I should've heeded. I truly thought early on this group sounded like followers of Merie and not Christ. I was just stupid enough to get sucked in. I tried to listen to one of her tapes and didn't get far. I would've walked out of her nonmember class for sure. That's not Christianity that she was teaching. Tried to listen to her audio Kevin had put on this… Read more »
Yes let's warn our neighbors and family members. Let's get the word out. However, it is very touch with teenagers who are still in the church. I always wondered why they never talked much about church when they started getting older and especially when their parents around. I would ask about any romances in the church and usually get an answer and once in a while ask if any new people or teens. It is all making more and more sense to me. It would be so much easier for me if their PaPa was here to read all this……I… Read more »
Some teens are especially difficult to reach, I think, because the church is in heavy recruiting mode at that age. They're busy trying to pair up interested couples and relax some of the old Merie-era rules about members of the opposite sex "seeing" each other. Many of them also have a strong loyalty to the mother figure in their life, who more likely than not is the one in the sect. It won't be until they mature a little more and see what we're all saying here for themselves that it will all start to click. And by then, for… Read more »
Wow, Kevin, another great post! @Anon 10:12, yes I have heard some of Merie's tapes. My husband was recording some before we left with a noise reduction system. He probably has some around here. We heard one after we left and were like WHY IS SHE ALWAYS SCREAMING? Ha. As for the teens, I have 3 that still go with their dad. The day I decided to stop going, a couple months ago, my 19 yr old immediately moved out and in with the preacher here in SA, Joe n Lee ann G. I was totally offended. Joe immediately taught… Read more »
A trip is being arranged for my granddaughter to another state to visit a family. What do you think?
They were losing all their young people until they figured out two very important things:
1) They needed to loosen up on some of their teen and young adult rules, which they have done extensively since I was a kid.
2) Teens and young adults are looking to date and get married. If they can be facilitators with at least one of the teens or young adults being in the church, they have the unimaginably powerful biological and emotional "power of love" to suck the other teen in.
Not sure of the circumstances concerning your question but when kids visit other kids out of state they usually have a lot of fun. There are some congregations that have happy teens and younger kids. Like Kevin said, the church has lightened up a lot and some people (like Seeking) see to it that their kids are happy and are willing to get rebuked for bending the rules and allowing their kids to do things that are taught against. So much depends on the hearts of the individual members of each congregation and the hearts of their teachers. Also some… Read more »
Agree Anon 11:12. However it's interesting that the system is still entrenched in rule making. For example last year I was told by a preacher how long my children should stay when visiting. Said people still had obligations to fulfill. I didn't see the need for this advice. 2 grown women in conjunction with husbands were determining what was a good time. Yet this preacher still felt the need to limit that time. Who wants to pay 500 bucks for flights to stay 4-5 days? But this is just another example that while the rules may bend, the system is… Read more »
Seeking, in response to your comment at 8:01am. This sort of thing makes me so upset inside. I feel so trapped. The traveling rules are so unbiblical and so opressive. I can't imagine I'm the only one who feels like this. I have a member or two who I would like to talk to about my disagreements but I would be taking a huge risk and talking to an 'approved' teacher would get nowhere and would also be risky. I'm in such a quandary because on one hand I see what being part of this group has done for me… Read more »
Anon 11:45… i feel you. Honestly, I just jumped right out. But years ago I did leave and go into sin. I am purposely working to not do that. Awareness of not going back into sin or proving them right is key. Who did Christ have when he was out in the wilderness being tempted? He had no one physically but he had the Father and the scriptures. I now attend a mainstream COC. Is it perfect? Is Merie's church perfect? For me, I felt my conscience being seared there. The unkindness in dealing with others and ridiculous judgments I… Read more »
Anon 11:45 hopefully you have read throughout all of the articles Kevin has posted as well as all of the comments that have been made. I could not believe what I was reading with all of the mistreatment members and children have suffered at the hands of other members. Simply disgusting. That was enough for me where I would never in good conscience be baptized into Merie's cult. I call it Merie's cult because she founded it and it has all the earmarks of a cult. Secondly Kevin and others have brought out many issues where this cult is just… Read more »
Anon 11:45 – I thorougly love and appreciate your heart expressed in your comment. I totally understand your confliction in the decision to stay or not to stay, and your advice is dead-on about those who do leave not going back to the godless lifestyle we see in our culture. God is alive and well outside Stanton, but finding him and understanding him better is a decision that needs to be made intentionally. I do think you would grow tremendously by visiting other churches and even challenging their beliefs and practices while you heal from the doctrinal oppression that Stanton… Read more »
Anon at 11:45-I'm with you on how you feel right now! I think all of us who have left the group were at the same point as you are-it's why we stayed as long as we did.But one thing I do need to point out to you, and please don't take offense to it, ok? Because you are still in the group, you don't get to talk with many-if any-of those who have left. When I was in the group, we "heard" a lot of stories about the ones who had left! How they left to pursue their sins, and… Read more »
A trip is being arranged for my granddaughter to another state to visit a family. What do you think?
Anon, please see my reply above, posted at 11:12 concerning your grandchild visiting another family out of state.
For those questioning public confessions consider this: Satan is able to beguile (trick) unstable souls by using only part of a scripture and not the whole bible. When Satan tempted Christ in Mathew chapter 4 he said command these stones to become loaves of bread, Christ knowing the big picture refuted him by saying "man does not live by bread alone" and we ask: are those who believe men do live by bread alone? Esau was one who believed in living by bread alone and lost his soul. Job was one who still lived by faith when his bread was… Read more »
In getting the big picture and developing a complete understanding consider this: I was taught from day one that the sin of masterbation will turn one into a homosexual and that is true but it is not the only path to homosexuality. Working with inmates I see those who become homosexual through lust but I also see other men filled with pride, tough guys, macho men who in the absence of women turn to the feminine men. Those that lust become the feminine half of the homosexual couple, those with pride become the masculine half of the homosexual couple. The… Read more »
Are they marking and avoiding non members or ones where their baptism was decided no good? I know the withdrawal part of Craig's situation.. But specifically marking and avoiding non members are they doing?
I don't know the answer to that. I don't know that they know the answer to that, since their interpretations seem to be all over the map. 🙂
I have spent the past few decades studying out the book of Revelation and almost two decades studying out Daniel chap 7-11. I have listened to a lot of Merie's tapes and will have to say that they were way off. Whenever I would try to point this out to anybody I was told either – "We teach it the way that Merie taught it", "If that were true then one of the older ones would have found it out", and even, "I don't have time to study that out as I have no time to to get into that… Read more »